Ping MM0FMF: Changes to UK licence

[Ottavio Caruso]

https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.

Where are the new rules? I got an email from Ofcom:
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/

But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

[Roger Hayter]

On 22 Feb 2024 at 17:17:32 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

They are linked but but you have to go through a couple of pages full of links
and choose the right ones.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0029/278345/amateur-radio-general-notice-decision.pdf

And go down to page 17

[Ottavio Caruso]

Post by Roger Hayter
On 22 Feb 2024 at 17:17:32 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

They are linked but but you have to go through a couple of pages full of links
and choose the right ones.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0029/278345/amateur-radio-general-notice-decision.pdf
And go down to page 17

Thanks. Is that the final draft? Didn't Ofcom use to send the pdf by
email if you had an account?

[Roger Hayter]

On 22 Feb 2024 at 18:21:13 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
On 22 Feb 2024 at 17:17:32 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

They are linked but but you have to go through a couple of pages full of links
and choose the right ones.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0029/278345/amateur-radio-general-notice-decision.pdf
And go down to page 17

Thanks. Is that the final draft? Didn't Ofcom use to send the pdf by
email if you had an account?

It's the current draft. There are further changes that are going to come in
over the next year or two. But I think they plan to send us all a copy over
the next few months, which suggests they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

[Ottavio Caruso]

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them, but,
are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that regardless?

Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

[Brian Morrison]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:22:13 +0000

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple
callsigns per person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

The relaxation of the addition of suffixes after a / means that you can
identify multiple such transmissions yourself.

[mm0fmf]

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them, but,
are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.

Only 3 calls? Noob!

The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence levels,
i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where people
have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when I passed
the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do. Probably we'll
be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so we only have the
single licence we do want. If we don't clean up, Ofcom will do it for us
and you'll be left with what they pick.

It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

[Brian Morrison]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

Newcomer!

[mm0fmf]

Post by Brian Morrison
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

Newcomer!

I should have had something like G8Rxx call but got sidetracked.

[Brian Morrison]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 22:16:50 +0000

Post by mm0fmf

Post by Brian Morrison
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

Newcomer!

I should have had something like G8Rxx call but got sidetracked.

Heh, of the 5 of us in my RAE study group one was issued a G8RZx call,
the rest of use rolled over into G8Sxx issued in mid-February 1979 so
I'd guess you were somewhere in the first half of the G7xxx series?

The 5 of us sat the last written RAE in December 1978.

A lot of water under the bridge since then.

[brian]

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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Brian Morrison
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

Newcomer!

I should have had something like G8Rxx call but got sidetracked.

If I taken out a licence after did the RAE in 1966 , I'd have had a
GM8Bxx or GM3Wxx Jeez

My current call was issued on 2nd Sept 1974 , Took me a long time to
get round to doing the morse test.

Brian GM4DIJ

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by mm0fmf

Post by Brian Morrison
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

 Newcomer!

I should have had something like G8Rxx call but got sidetracked.

If I taken out a licence after  did the RAE in 1966 , I'd have had a
GM8Bxx or GM3Wxx   Jeez
My current call was issued  on 2nd Sept 1974 , Took me a long time to
get round to doing the morse test.
Brian GM4DIJ

good man

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by Brian Morrison
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:16:06 +0000

Post by mm0fmf
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

Newcomer!

50 years one call g4dhj

[brian]

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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence
levels, i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where people
have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when I passed
the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do. Probably we'll
be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so we only have the
single licence we do want. If we don't clean up, Ofcom will do it for
us and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

I had to send back old GM8 licence in 1974. I don't think there was an
option to keep it then .There was something in the licence document
about revoking previous licences . Hazy memory.

Brian GM4DIJ

[Ian Jackson]

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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence
levels, i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where
people have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when
I passed the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do.
Probably we'll be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so
we only have the single licence we do want. If we don't clean up,
Ofcom will do it for us and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

I had to send back old GM8 licence in 1974. I don't think there was an
option to keep it then .There was something in the licence document
about revoking previous licences . Hazy memory.
Brian GM4DIJ

I think it was in the short period when licensing fell under the
auspices of the Home Office that ALL amateur licences were revoked, and
we were supposed to surrender the physical (paper) document. At the same
time, we were issued with NEW licences.

While my callsign notionally remained the same (I expect that it was the
same for everyone), the licence said that it was G3OHX/M (personably
because I also held a mobile licence, which at one time was additional
to the fixed station licence).

I guess the intention was to remove Class B callsigns that were in
circulation but had been superseded by the owner subsequently taking the
morse test and getting a new Class A call. [This was, of course, long
before the morse requirement was done away with, and we both became
Fulls.]

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by brian
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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

 Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
 Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence
levels, i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they
will automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where
people have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when
I passed the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do.
Probably we'll be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so
we only have the single licence we do want. If we don't clean up,
Ofcom will do it for us and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

I had to send back old GM8 licence in 1974. I don't think there was an
option to keep it then .There was something in the licence document
about revoking previous licences .  Hazy memory.
Brian GM4DIJ

I think it was in the short period when licensing fell under the
auspices of the Home Office that ALL amateur licences were revoked, and
we were supposed to surrender the physical (paper) document. At the same
time, we were issued with NEW licences.
While my callsign notionally remained the same (I expect that it was the
same for everyone), the licence said that it was G3OHX/M (personably
because I also held a mobile licence, which at one time was additional
to the fixed station licence).
I guess the intention was to remove Class B callsigns that were in
circulation but had been superseded by the owner subsequently taking the
morse test and getting a new Class A call. [This was, of course, long
before the morse requirement was done away with, and we both became Fulls.]

they don't give a shit

[Brian]

Post by brian
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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence
levels, i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where people
have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when I passed
the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do. Probably we'll
be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so we only have the
single licence we do want. If we don't clean up, Ofcom will do it for
us and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

I had to send back old GM8 licence in 1974. I don't think there was an
option to keep it then .There was something in the licence document
about revoking previous licences . Hazy memory.
Brian GM4DIJ

I recall a G3 who had a collection of nearly all, if not all, of the
callsigns with ‘his’ three letters. No idea how he achieved it. I think one
was some spurious club.

He must have grabbed them as they were issued, at the time you couldn’t
easily get one out of sequence.

[David Wade]

Post by Brian

Post by brian
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Post by mm0fmf

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence
levels, i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where people
have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when I passed
the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do. Probably we'll
be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so we only have the
single licence we do want. If we don't clean up, Ofcom will do it for
us and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

I had to send back old GM8 licence in 1974. I don't think there was an
option to keep it then .There was something in the licence document
about revoking previous licences . Hazy memory.
Brian GM4DIJ

I recall a G3 who had a collection of nearly all, if not all, of the
callsigns with ‘his’ three letters. No idea how he achieved it. I think one
was some spurious club.

G3LEQ had many, worked as a salesman for ICOM I believe.

Post by Brian
He must have grabbed them as they were issued, at the time you couldn’t
easily get one out of sequence.

Nor sure he had them all. Perhaps he had an inside track....

Dave
G4UGM

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by mm0fmf

Post by Ottavio Caruso

Post by Roger Hayter
they are going to applying some checks to
licensees. I have no idea what, apart from cancelling multiple callsigns per
person.

Urgh! I have three callsigns. I don't mind sacrificing two of them,
but, are they going to ask to that ourselves, or will they do that
regardless?
Only reason why I didn't surrender them is because, at least
hypothetically, I could use two of them for beacons.

I've only just seen this but you have links to the info you need now.
Only 3 calls? Noob!
The easy thing for them to do is to cancel all the lower licence levels,
i.e. you have a Full, Intermediate and Foundation so they will
automatically cancel the Foundation and Intermediate ones. Where people
have more of the same type, I have what was my B and my A when I passed
the Morse Test, then who knows what they'll actually do. Probably we'll
be invited to go and delete the ones we don't want so we only have the
single licence we do want. If we don't clean up, Ofcom will do it for us
and you'll be left with what they pick.
It will be sad to see my old B go as I've had it 33.5 years.

should have done it years ago the twats

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:17:32 +0000

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

If you have a look at the Ofcom site for the announcement, there is an
annotated 43 page pdf that shows what has changed since the last draft
in December 2023.

The licence conditions may be found in this document:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/214116/emf-amateur-licence-terms-and-conditions.pdf

there are several other documents linked from the same launch page.

As for licences, new paper copies will be sent out over the next 9
months or so as there are about 100,000 licences to be
updated/consolidated and Ofcom are short of staff to do it any more
rapidly.

[Ottavio Caruso]

Post by Brian Morrison
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:17:32 +0000

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

If you have a look at the Ofcom site for the announcement, there is an
annotated 43 page pdf that shows what has changed since the last draft
in December 2023.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/214116/emf-amateur-licence-terms-and-conditions.pdf
there are several other documents linked from the same launch page.
As for licences, new paper copies will be sent out over the next 9
months or so as there are about 100,000 licences to be
updated/consolidated and Ofcom are short of staff to do it any more
rapidly.

Thanks.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by Ottavio Caruso
https://reflector.sota.org.uk/t/uk-operators-only-changes-to-uk-licence/34627/1

The UK radio licence regulations change today. One of the changes is

the use of RSL (regional secondary locators) has become voluntary.
https://ofcom.cmail19.com/t/i-e-ahjukht-juityhiyjh-jy/
But there's no link to the actual T&Cs. I usually get an email from
Ofcom with the new licence conditions. Last one was, I think 2019.

1kw for the good buddies no GM for me