Told I might need planning permission for antenna. Advice needed

[Andy]

Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna. I
willing cooperated with him and allowed him access to inspect the antenna
and take photographs of it. He said he couldn't discuss the matter because
he was not the planning officer and didn't make decisions. He did imply that
he couldn't see what the fuss was about but did seem concerned about the
height. He said the planning officer would be in touch and I would probably
have to fill out a form for planning permission. I should have asked more
qestions but I was still in shock as the antenna has been up there for over
2 years without any complaints.I think its a neighbour who has just put his
house up for sale.

The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post with
the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is 44
feet. The washing -line post that the antenna is bolted to is about 10ft
from the main house. I do have a detatched garage at the bottom of the
garden. This is where I was going to mount the antenna in the first place
but decided against this due to it being too obtrusive. I am thinking of
mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need planning permission.
I got the impression that I might be asked to re-site the antenna on the
garage and in that case it would be seen for miles around.

I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without requiring
local planning permission .Can you advise?

I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put this
up without needing local planning permission?

Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of getting
planning permission?

Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?

If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand much
chance on getting permission in the future.

Any help with this would be appreciated.

Thanks

Andy

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If you make sure it is bolted together with wing nuts, it is a temporary
structure. If you haven't got any wing nuts, weld 2 washers on opposite
sides of the mounting nuts and point out that it is a temporary structure.
Planning not required.

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna. I
willing cooperated with him and allowed him access to inspect the antenna
and take photographs of it. He said he couldn't discuss the matter because
he was not the planning officer and didn't make decisions. He did imply
that he couldn't see what the fuss was about but did seem concerned about
the height. He said the planning officer would be in touch and I would
probably have to fill out a form for planning permission. I should have
asked more qestions but I was still in shock as the antenna has been up
there for over 2 years without any complaints.I think its a neighbour who
has just put his house up for sale.
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post
with the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is
44 feet. The washing -line post that the antenna is bolted to is about
10ft from the main house. I do have a detatched garage at the bottom of
the garden. This is where I was going to mount the antenna in the first
place but decided against this due to it being too obtrusive. I am
thinking of mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need
planning permission. I got the impression that I might be asked to re-site
the antenna on the garage and in that case it would be seen for miles
around.
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without
requiring local planning permission .Can you advise?
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put
this up without needing local planning permission?
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of
getting planning permission?
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand
much chance on getting permission in the future.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
Thanks
Andy

[Theo]

As far as I am aware, any structure that is 3m or higher requires planning
permission.
It is a shame you hadn't erected it over 4 years ago - any structure that is
in situ for 4 years or more does not require planning permission, providing
no-one has sent a written complaint to the council during that time.
Planning officers appear to be very reluctant to admit or volunteer
information on this loophole!

[NikTheGeek]

Post by Theo
As far as I am aware, any structure that is 3m or higher requires planning
permission.
It is a shame you hadn't erected it over 4 years ago - any structure that is
in situ for 4 years or more does not require planning permission, providing
no-one has sent a written complaint to the council during that time.
Planning officers appear to be very reluctant to admit or volunteer
information on this loophole!

Well there's your answer then. Get your digi camera out, set it on it's
lowest resolution, change the date back more than 4 years, snap a pic.
Set on it's highest resolution, and fire off some more a few days later.

You can prove it's been up by the old pic you took with your crappy old
digi camera a few years ago. And show them the current pics. They'll be
impressed by difference in quality of the pics from your new camera. But
don't date stamp the current pics as that will give it away that it's
the same camera.

That is of course providing you have been at your current location for
more than 4 years. If not the idea sort of falls down... :)

[Richard G3CWI]

Post by Andy
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of getting
planning permission?

The RSGB has a guidance leaflet and also has a team of people who can
give expert advice. I would strongly advise that you contact them
rather than rely on possibly incorrect advice given here. If you are
not a member then it could well prove to be a good investment.

73

Richard
G3CWI

[Steve]

Post by Richard G3CWI

Post by Andy
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of getting
planning permission?

The RSGB has a guidance leaflet and also has a team of people who can
give expert advice. I would strongly advise that you contact them
rather than rely on possibly incorrect advice given here. If you are
not a member then it could well prove to be a good investment.

Which is exactly what I did when I had similar problems. The first RSGB
planning expert basically told me that I had no chance. I made a bit of
a fuss on this newsgroup about that at the time and a more informed guy
from the RSGB tried to help. He was able to point out a loophole in the
Planning Enforcement Notice - yes it did go that far. The Council
dimwits had neglected to include half of my property in the enforcement
notice, so I was free to erect aerials in the other half, which included
the chimney.

I expected another visit from the planning department about the new
"unauthorised" aerials but one never came. Either the Council skulked
away to lick it's wounds or they found some real planning issues to deal
with - I do not know.

That was about seven years ago. The aerials have only just come down as
we are moving.

In the new property, I plan to have a planning consultant do the
application for me to have a tower (sorry in planning permission words -
a mast), as these people have much greater knowledge of working the
system than I have. It will cost but it will be worthwhile and be better
than going through all that business again.

HTH

Steve.

[Spike]

Post by Steve
In the new property, I plan to have a planning consultant do the
application for me to have a tower (sorry in planning permission words -
a mast)

Unfortunately, these days the word 'mast' in association with anything
electromagnetic has unfortunate connotations that are perhaps best
avoided.

Call it an 'a support structure for antenna experimentation'.

[Steve]

Post by Spike

Post by Steve
In the new property, I plan to have a planning consultant do the
application for me to have a tower (sorry in planning permission words -
a mast)

Unfortunately, these days the word 'mast' in association with anything
electromagnetic has unfortunate connotations that are perhaps best
avoided.
Call it an 'a support structure for antenna experimentation'.

Yes, I had forgot that! Mobile phone companies have a lot to answer for
:-(

I like your description of a mast/tower. So my application will be for a
support structure for antenna experimentation ;-)

Cheers Spike

Steve.

[Cheemag]

Post by Steve

Post by Spike

Post by Steve
In the new property, I plan to have a planning consultant do the
application for me to have a tower (sorry in planning permission words -
a mast)

Unfortunately, these days the word 'mast' in association with anything
electromagnetic has unfortunate connotations that are perhaps best
avoided.
Call it an 'a support structure for antenna experimentation'.

Yes, I had forgot that! Mobile phone companies have a lot to answer for
:-(
I like your description of a mast/tower. So my application will be for a
support structure for antenna experimentation ;-)

I'd make that 'aerial experimentation' if I were you.

[Spike]

Post by Steve
I like your description of a mast/tower. So my application will be for a
support structure for antenna experimentation ;-)

Just in case they ask, have some ideas to hand over what sort of
antennas you might be trying, and why....shouldn't be too difficult to
come up with some long words....

[Andy]

OK on using wing nuts. I am just going to buy some now.

I always thought that if the antenna was up on the chimney stack that would
be ok but if you need planning for anything over 3 meters then I was told
wrong.

Thanks for the info on the RSGB. I joined yesterday.

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna. I
willing cooperated with him and allowed him access to inspect the antenna
and take photographs of it. He said he couldn't discuss the matter because
he was not the planning officer and didn't make decisions. He did imply
that he couldn't see what the fuss was about but did seem concerned about
the height. He said the planning officer would be in touch and I would
probably have to fill out a form for planning permission. I should have
asked more qestions but I was still in shock as the antenna has been up
there for over 2 years without any complaints.I think its a neighbour who
has just put his house up for sale.
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post
with the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is
44 feet. The washing -line post that the antenna is bolted to is about
10ft from the main house. I do have a detatched garage at the bottom of
the garden. This is where I was going to mount the antenna in the first
place but decided against this due to it being too obtrusive. I am
thinking of mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need
planning permission. I got the impression that I might be asked to re-site
the antenna on the garage and in that case it would be seen for miles
around.
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without
requiring local planning permission .Can you advise?
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put
this up without needing local planning permission?
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of
getting planning permission?
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand
much chance on getting permission in the future.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
Thanks
Andy

[Walt Davidson]

Post by Andy
the antenna has been up there for over
2 years without any complaints.

Not long enough to claim exemption from Planning Permission, I'm
afraid. A minimum of 4 years is necessary.

Post by Andy
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post with
the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is 44
feet.

Generally, anything more than 15 ft high needs Planning Permission,
unless it is attached to the house. Then you can usually get away
with going up to chimney height.

Post by Andy
I am thinking of
mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need planning permission.

You will.

Post by Andy
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without requiring
local planning permission .Can you advise?

As noted above, you could mount it against the rear wall of the house,
but the tip of the aerial would not be allowed to exceed chimney
height. Is your house more than 44 feet high?

Post by Andy
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put this
up without needing local planning permission?

ROTFLMAO!!!! What planet are you on?

Post by Andy
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of getting
planning permission?

Not a lot.

Post by Andy
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?

The RSCB publishes a booklet about it, but you have to be a member.

Post by Andy
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand much
chance on getting permission in the future.

The best solution would be to grasp the nettle and apply for Planning
Permission for what you have now ... if they insist upon it. They may
yet decide it isn't worth pursuing. If permission is refused, you can
appeal to the Secretary of State.

73 de G3NYY

[Andy]

Hi Walt, thanks for your reply.

You say I can get away with putting an antenna up on the house providing it
does not exceed the height of the stack. Does this mean that if I put the
beam up on the back wall of the house, as long as it doesn't exceed the
height of the stack and stays within my property boundaries, that would be
o.k?Do the actual dimensions of the beam come into the equation?

Post by Walt Davidson

Post by Andy
the antenna has been up there for over
2 years without any complaints.

Not long enough to claim exemption from Planning Permission, I'm
afraid. A minimum of 4 years is necessary.

Post by Andy
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post with
the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is 44
feet.

Generally, anything more than 15 ft high needs Planning Permission,
unless it is attached to the house. Then you can usually get away
with going up to chimney height.

Post by Andy
I am thinking of
mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need planning permission.

You will.

Post by Andy
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without requiring
local planning permission .Can you advise?

As noted above, you could mount it against the rear wall of the house,
but the tip of the aerial would not be allowed to exceed chimney
height. Is your house more than 44 feet high?

Post by Andy
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put this
up without needing local planning permission?

ROTFLMAO!!!! What planet are you on?

Post by Andy
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of
getting
planning permission?

Not a lot.

Post by Andy
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?

The RSCB publishes a booklet about it, but you have to be a member.

Post by Andy
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand much
chance on getting permission in the future.

The best solution would be to grasp the nettle and apply for Planning
Permission for what you have now ... if they insist upon it. They may
yet decide it isn't worth pursuing. If permission is refused, you can
appeal to the Secretary of State.
73 de G3NYY
--

[Bob Bob]

Hi Andy

Dont forget to use the argument about RF exposure safety. ie the higher
the thing is the less affect it has on neighbours!

Cheers Bob VK2YQA

Andy wrote:

[Walt Davidson]

Post by Bob Bob
Dont forget to use the argument about RF exposure safety. ie the higher
the thing is the less affect it has on neighbours!

That could be a double-edged sword. In my view, it is not a good
thing to attract people's attention to *any* possible RF exposure
hazard!!! There has been enough hysteria in the press about
"radiation" from cell-phone masts, etc, without further fueling the
flames!

73 de G3NYY

[J.]

Post by Bob Bob
Hi Andy
Dont forget to use the argument about RF exposure safety. ie the higher
the thing is the less affect it has on neighbours!
Cheers Bob VK2YQA

Just a general point: I am surprised that antenna farms are not more
discretely painted, in order to reduce the risk of a complaint in the first
place.
Amazing how a speckled matt brown and green spray job on mast and antennas
can reduce the impact. If really dedicated: get some army surplus paint.

J. (living in a National Park, so sensitive to these things....)

[Trevor Day]

Post by J.
Just a general point: I am surprised that antenna farms are not more
discretely painted, in order to reduce the risk of a complaint in the first
place.
Amazing how a speckled matt brown and green spray job on mast and antennas
can reduce the impact. If really dedicated: get some army surplus paint.
J. (living in a National Park, so sensitive to these things....)

A few years ago I was involved in the installation of some V/UHF skirted
dipoles at the Wireless station at Fort Staddon overlooking Plymouth.
These are mounted on the top of what are, to all intents and purposes,
telegraph poles. There are around a dozen in a row. In order to gain
planning consent we had to paint the poles sky blue!

Trev G3ZYY

[Walt Davidson]

Post by Andy
Hi Walt, thanks for your reply.
You say I can get away with putting an antenna up on the house providing it
does not exceed the height of the stack. Does this mean that if I put the
beam up on the back wall of the house, as long as it doesn't exceed the
height of the stack and stays within my property boundaries, that would be
o.k?Do the actual dimensions of the beam come into the equation?

That is a moot point. You might get away with it. It just depends
how bloody-minded your local planning people are! It used to be the
recommended practice to apply for planning permission for the tower or
mast only, and say "the aerial on top will vary depending upon what
experiments are being carried out at any particular time". If they
accept that, you can then get away with almost anything!

I used that procedure when I last applied for planning permission in
South Wales, and it was accepted without challenge! Having got
permission for a 25 foot mast, I then put a box of four 14-element
yagis on top of it.

If you are going to use a telescopic or pump-up mast, it is also very
helpful to your case to say "the mast will be lowered to minimum
height when not in use".

It is very important that the aerial should not, in any circumstances,
overhang anyone else's property. Also, the planning people like the
tower or mast to be at least 2 metres inside the boundary of your
property. You would be *strongly* advised to take out third party
liability insurance in case the mast or aerial blows down on to anyone
else's property! Replacing the neighbour's roof can be costly! :-)

Good luck! So long as you are not within a conservation area or "Area
of Outstanding Natural Beauty", they would need to have very good
grounds for refusal, otherwise you would probably succeed on appeal.
It is helpful if you are able to cite other similar installations in
the same Local Planning Area which have been allowed.

73 de G3NYY

[Spike]

Post by Walt Davidson
You would be *strongly* advised to take out third party
liability insurance in case the mast or aerial blows down on to anyone
else's property! Replacing the neighbour's roof can be costly! :-)

My normal house insurance covers me against claims for damage caused
by falling aerials or their supports, to the level of two million
pounds, at no extra cost. The OP's insurance may do likewise.

[Andy]

I've read on here that I can only put an antenna up with out planning if it
does not exceed 3 meters in height. I have just put up my 5 ele 6 meter beam
at exactly 3 meters.
I also read that if I put an antenna up on the house I won't need planning
permission so long as it isn't any higher that the chimney stack.
I have not heard from the local planning officer yet and can't access the
info on the RSGB site as there is a problem with my password.
I am very upset that my antenna has been up on a washing line post for over
two years and just because some one complained about it I might have to take
it down.
I wish to know that if I put up a 2 meter 9 ele crossed beam up on the back
of my house just above gutter height but below chimney height would this
need local planning permission?
If it doesn't and I'm guaranteed not to be told to take it back down then I
will go ahead and put it up but I don't want to get on the wrong side of the
local planning officer. If nothing else it will give the person who
complained something else to sulk about.

If I can get away with putting this beam up please let me know?
Does the size of the beam come into the equation?

Post by Walt Davidson

Post by Andy
Hi Walt, thanks for your reply.
You say I can get away with putting an antenna up on the house providing it
does not exceed the height of the stack. Does this mean that if I put the
beam up on the back wall of the house, as long as it doesn't exceed the
height of the stack and stays within my property boundaries, that would be
o.k?Do the actual dimensions of the beam come into the equation?

That is a moot point. You might get away with it. It just depends
how bloody-minded your local planning people are! It used to be the
recommended practice to apply for planning permission for the tower or
mast only, and say "the aerial on top will vary depending upon what
experiments are being carried out at any particular time". If they
accept that, you can then get away with almost anything!
I used that procedure when I last applied for planning permission in
South Wales, and it was accepted without challenge! Having got
permission for a 25 foot mast, I then put a box of four 14-element
yagis on top of it.
If you are going to use a telescopic or pump-up mast, it is also very
helpful to your case to say "the mast will be lowered to minimum
height when not in use".
It is very important that the aerial should not, in any circumstances,
overhang anyone else's property. Also, the planning people like the
tower or mast to be at least 2 metres inside the boundary of your
property. You would be *strongly* advised to take out third party
liability insurance in case the mast or aerial blows down on to anyone
else's property! Replacing the neighbour's roof can be costly! :-)
Good luck! So long as you are not within a conservation area or "Area
of Outstanding Natural Beauty", they would need to have very good
grounds for refusal, otherwise you would probably succeed on appeal.
It is helpful if you are able to cite other similar installations in
the same Local Planning Area which have been allowed.
73 de G3NYY
--

[Dave]

Post by Andy
I've read on here that I can only put an antenna up with out planning if it
does not exceed 3 meters in height. I have just put up my 5 ele 6 meter beam
at exactly 3 meters.
I also read that if I put an antenna up on the house I won't need planning
permission so long as it isn't any higher that the chimney stack.
I have not heard from the local planning officer yet and can't access the
info on the RSGB site as there is a problem with my password.
I am very upset that my antenna has been up on a washing line post for over
two years and just because some one complained about it I might have to take
it down.
I wish to know that if I put up a 2 meter 9 ele crossed beam up on the back
of my house just above gutter height but below chimney height would this
need local planning permission?
If it doesn't and I'm guaranteed not to be told to take it back down then I
will go ahead and put it up but I don't want to get on the wrong side of the
local planning officer. If nothing else it will give the person who
complained something else to sulk about.
If I can get away with putting this beam up please let me know?
Does the size of the beam come into the equation?

Put the beam up and inform your local council thai is a temporary
structure and will/can change as you develop antenna techniques.

Stress that you are an experimenter and that anything you put up in the
air will only be there for a short time ( a short time is relevent to
history :-) )

I have intriduced lots of aerilas to the back of my house and not one of
them can be callenged by my local authority. :-)

[G1LVN]

Post by Andy
I wish to know that if I put up a 2 meter 9 ele crossed beam up on the
back of my house just above gutter height but below chimney height would
this need local planning permission?

No. As long as it's within 2m from the wall of the building and lower than
the highest part of the house it won't need any planning. Least that's what
they say in the RSGB guide to planning from what I remember.

[Leigh Preece]

Speak to your local planning office - simple grumbles like this often
get a quick answer - and next time - make sure a planning officer visits
and not just a lackey.

[Steve Terry]

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna.

<snip>
If you have to apply for planning permission, include a pic and spec
of a 120ft versatower on a trailer as your alternative.
As it's a mobile structure you dont need planning permission for one.
Puts the fear of god into them every time, and they'll grant anything less

Steve Terry

[The Legend]

Post by Steve Terry
If you have to apply for planning permission, include a pic and spec
of a 120ft versatower on a trailer as your alternative.
As it's a mobile structure you dont need planning permission for one.
Puts the fear of god into them every time, and they'll grant anything less

Excellent Steve! I'll be recommending to Nick, that you are included in this
years "Basement New Years Honours List".

Would you be prepared to accept an "Assistant Deputy" post?...for a small
administration charge, naturally!

tox

[UnderTakers-R-Us]

Put the word about that your thinking of getting Pigeons. The neighbours
soon stop moaning about antennas then. Works for me all the time.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by UnderTakers-R-Us
Put the word about that your thinking of getting Pigeons. The neighbours
soon stop moaning about antennas then. Works for me all the time.

ROTFL

Brilliant!

Alan

[Steve Terry]

Post by The Legend

Post by Steve Terry
If you have to apply for planning permission, include a pic and spec
of a 120ft versatower on a trailer as your alternative.
As it's a mobile structure you dont need planning permission for one.
Puts the fear of god into them every time, and they'll grant anything less

Excellent Steve! I'll be recommending to Nick, that you are included in
this years "Basement New Years Honours List". Would you be prepared to
accept an "Assistant Deputy" post?...for a small administration charge,
naturally! tox

Of course, i'll get me red hot poker

Steve Terry

[The Legend]

Post by Steve Terry

Post by The Legend
Excellent Steve! I'll be recommending to Nick, that you are included in
this years "Basement New Years Honours List". Would you be prepared to
accept an "Assistant Deputy" post?...for a small administration charge,
naturally! tox

Of course, i'll get me red hot poker

LOL, Nick has moved into the 21st century, we use lasers these days ;-)

tox

[Robin]

Post by Steve Terry

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna.

<snip>
If you have to apply for planning permission, include a pic and spec
of a 120ft versatower on a trailer as your alternative.
As it's a mobile structure you dont need planning permission for one.
Puts the fear of god into them every time, and they'll grant anything less

Correct! but,, they may require that you only erect it to over 3 metres
for any 28 days in a 12 month period as that is how the excemption for
temporary structures avoids the town and country planning act. If they say
it can only be up for a month at a time in that location, simply move it by
an inch or so each month. (or jack it up and rotate the wheels)

I near Wakefield, I use a mobile tower, it's only 30 foot, but the local
council sent me this reply when I asked if I needed to log it's use.
-

With regard to the planning circular advice on the definition of an aerial,
as the guidance does not specifically name radio antennas in the text this
would technically mean that radio antennas are not given any permitted
development rights, meaning that they would all require planning permission,
as the GDO operates on an exemption basis i.e. planning permission is
required unless... However this exclusion of radio from the definition
would be classed as de-minimus as in size, placement and design they are
likely to be similar or within the middle of microwave and satellite
antennas, and therefore we include radio antennas in the definition when
seeing if permission is required.
With regard to the query contained in your previous e-mail (sorry I didn't
get back to your but I couldn't find my keyboard under all this work) there
is no need from a planning perspective to keep a log on how many days the
mast is in use as we class this as a temporary use. The trailer as current
is unattached to the land and can be removed easily and quickly, therefore
as long as there are no attachments (guide-wires, supports, etc) that would
give it a semblance of permanency, no permission is required..

So all my antennas now go on the tower, and it stays up in the air at all
times, looks much worse for whoever it was that complained about the
collinear and the Comet h-422 that was on a 6 foot pole at the bottom of our
garden..

Robin

[mikeFNB]

great attitude mate.
no wonder we have grief getting planning permission easily

a fine bastion to our hobby

mike

Post by Robin
I near Wakefield, I use a mobile tower, it's only 30 foot, but the local
council sent me this reply when I asked if I needed to log it's use.
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With regard to the planning circular advice on the definition of an
aerial, as the guidance does not specifically name radio antennas in the
text this would technically mean that radio antennas are not given any
permitted development rights, meaning that they would all require planning
permission, as the GDO operates on an exemption basis i.e. planning
permission is required unless... However this exclusion of radio from the
definition would be classed as de-minimus as in size, placement and design
they are likely to be similar or within the middle of microwave and
satellite antennas, and therefore we include radio antennas in the
definition when seeing if permission is required.
With regard to the query contained in your previous e-mail (sorry I didn't
get back to your but I couldn't find my keyboard under all this work)
there is no need from a planning perspective to keep a log on how many
days the mast is in use as we class this as a temporary use. The trailer
as current is unattached to the land and can be removed easily and
quickly, therefore as long as there are no attachments (guide-wires,
supports, etc) that would give it a semblance of permanency, no permission
is required..
So all my antennas now go on the tower, and it stays up in the air at all
times, looks much worse for whoever it was that complained about the
collinear and the Comet h-422 that was on a 6 foot pole at the bottom of
our garden..
Robin

[Robin]

Post by mikeFNB
great attitude mate.
no wonder we have grief getting planning permission easily
a fine bastion to our hobby

I was told that I would be refused planning permission, as the neighbour
would object, so I have a 30 foot mobile tower with 2* 9 ellement 2M
tonna's on it.. its hardly Goonhilly!

[Paul Cummins - G7FUJ]

Post by Steve Terry
If you have to apply for planning permission, include a pic and spec
of a 120ft versatower on a trailer as your alternative.
As it's a mobile structure you dont need planning permission for one.
Puts the fear of god into them every time, and they'll grant
anything less

I'm going to try this when I move.

[Grid Square]

I can confirm that this approach works very well

[The Legend]

Post by Andy
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit.

Funnily enough Andy, I have exactly the same antenna and ground plain kit on
a 10ft pole, attached to my chimney with large TK brackets. I erected it
over 4 years ago when the side of the house was scaffolded during roofing
work. Never had any complaints from the neighbours or the local authority.
Great antenna, especially if you're 750ft ASL, like me.

Regards
tox

[Toby]

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna. I
willing cooperated with him and allowed him access to inspect the antenna
and take photographs of it. He said he couldn't discuss the matter because
he was not the planning officer and didn't make decisions. He did imply
that he couldn't see what the fuss was about but did seem concerned about
the height. He said the planning officer would be in touch and I would
probably have to fill out a form for planning permission. I should have
asked more qestions but I was still in shock as the antenna has been up
there for over 2 years without any complaints.I think its a neighbour who
has just put his house up for sale.
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post
with the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is
44 feet. The washing -line post that the antenna is bolted to is about
10ft from the main house. I do have a detatched garage at the bottom of
the garden. This is where I was going to mount the antenna in the first
place but decided against this due to it being too obtrusive. I am
thinking of mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need
planning permission. I got the impression that I might be asked to re-site
the antenna on the garage and in that case it would be seen for miles
around.
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without
requiring local planning permission .Can you advise?
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put
this up without needing local planning permission?
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of
getting planning permission?
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand
much chance on getting permission in the future.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
Thanks
Andy

If you turn it into a neighbour dispute the inconsiderate neighbour will
have to declare this on his house selling documents and forfeit a few grand
on the house price.
That should help him on his way.


Toby

[The Legend]

Post by Toby
If you turn it into a neighbour dispute the inconsiderate neighbour will
have to declare this on his house selling documents and forfeit a few
grand on the house price.
That should help him on his way.

I must have missed the bit where Andy mentioned his neighbour was planning
to move!

Besides, it cuts both ways, Andy would also have to declare any dispute, if
he decided to move.

tox

[Andy]

I have two more questions.

If I put up a 2 meter 9 ele crossed beam up on the back of my house just
above gutter height but below chimney height would this need local planning
permission?

Does the size of the beam come into the equation at all?

Post by Andy
Hi all, yesterday an official from South Gloucestershire Local Authority
called to inform me that a neighbour had complained about my antenna. I
willing cooperated with him and allowed him access to inspect the antenna
and take photographs of it. He said he couldn't discuss the matter because
he was not the planning officer and didn't make decisions. He did imply
that he couldn't see what the fuss was about but did seem concerned about
the height. He said the planning officer would be in touch and I would
probably have to fill out a form for planning permission. I should have
asked more qestions but I was still in shock as the antenna has been up
there for over 2 years without any complaints.I think its a neighbour who
has just put his house up for sale.
The antenna in question is an I-max 2000 with a ground plain kit. I have a
20ft x 2inch alliminium scaffold pole bolted to the washing -line post
with the 24ft fibreglass antenna on top of that.The total height to tip is
44 feet. The washing -line post that the antenna is bolted to is about
10ft from the main house. I do have a detatched garage at the bottom of
the garden. This is where I was going to mount the antenna in the first
place but decided against this due to it being too obtrusive. I am
thinking of mounting it on the garage now, as long as I don't need
planning permission. I got the impression that I might be asked to re-site
the antenna on the garage and in that case it would be seen for miles
around.
I need some advice on how and where I can site the antenna without
requiring local planning permission .Can you advise?
I also have a Cushcraft MA5B beam to go up. Is there any way I can put
this up without needing local planning permission?
Does anyone know how or what I can or can't do without the need of
getting planning permission?
Are there any good web sites that cover this sort of thing?
If they say I have to take the antenna down then I don't think I stand
much chance on getting permission in the future.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
Thanks
Andy

[kinvig]

Planners are really not interested in ham antennas

[Steve]

Post by kinvig
Planners are really not interested in ham antennas

Oh they can be, especially if a neighbour has made a complaint.

Then, being the type of people they are, they revel in their power and
authority which is unparalleled by just about any other council executive.

Nasty gits.

Steve.

[kinvig]

Post by Steve

Post by kinvig
Planners are really not interested in ham antennas

Oh they can be, especially if a neighbour has made a complaint.
Then, being the type of people they are, they revel in their power and
authority which is unparalleled by just about any other council executive.
Nasty gits.
Steve.

I should know, they are in the same office as I am

[Steve]

Post by kinvig

Post by Steve

Post by kinvig
Planners are really not interested in ham antennas

Oh they can be, especially if a neighbour has made a complaint.
Then, being the type of people they are, they revel in their power and
authority which is unparalleled by just about any other council executive.
Nasty gits.
Steve.

I should know, they are in the same office as I am

Please tell us more.

Steve.

[Andy]

Thanks to all for your info and suggestions.
At least I'm a lot more informed on what I can and can't do now. I supposed
I will just have to wait and see what they say about the antenna on the
washing line. At least its not the end of the world. I can still put the
beam up on the back of the house without local planning. : )

Just to top it all off the person that I think is the one that complained
has just sold his house, so there was no need for them to complain in the
first place, as it didn't effect the sale of the house.

Cheers

Andy

Post by kinvig

Post by Steve

Post by kinvig
Planners are really not interested in ham antennas

Oh they can be, especially if a neighbour has made a complaint.
Then, being the type of people they are, they revel in their power and
authority which is unparalleled by just about any other council executive.
Nasty gits.
Steve.

I should know, they are in the same office as I am