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how many ascom se550 4m radios out there?
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Michael Hunger
2005-04-18 15:29:57 UTC
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Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the loft
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
Nick G4FAL
2005-04-18 16:05:10 UTC
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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the loft
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
Got me there I'm afraid. Never yet got it out of the box.

Nick G4FAL
Brian Reay
2005-04-18 16:22:33 UTC
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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the loft
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
I'd not have thought "thousands" but maybe you are correct. As I recall,
there was a big release of them from one of the utility companies- water or
gas - and the RATS club worked out a neat conversion.

Plus, of course, there are other 4m radios (I run a Philips FM1000) and
there are several models of Key radios that are popular on the band.

There is 4m activity in this area (Nth Kent) and some Essex 70MHz RF even
finds its way here ;-)

Certainly, the few commercial 4m antennas doesn't help (although you'll
find a simple to build design on the website below).
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Andrew Marshall
2005-04-18 18:47:35 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
I'd not have thought "thousands" but maybe you are correct. As I recall,
there was a big release of them from one of the utility companies- water or
gas - and the RATS club worked out a neat conversion.
I bought a couple at the Milton Keynes boot sale when the RATS people
were first selling them. They work quite well into my end-fed Jaybeam
7034 half-wave at 23ft. agl (QTH is 375ft. asl) though the Rx is rather
deaf. I dropped the output power to about 9w by connecting a 22K (IIRC)
resistor across the relevant points on the back socket, and ran it into
a BNOS 100w 4m amplifier. It worked very well on Tx, but due to the
monumental level of crap I suffer here from about 14MHz to about 200MHz
from all sorts of appallingly-designed consumer electronics, working the
band is extremely difficult, as a QRM-free frequency is often difficult
to find. That bloody daft Tx timeout is a 'fundamental' pain too. The
Ascom also suffers from intermittent partial keyboard lock - sometimes
the 'down 1 channel' key doesn't work, sometimes it's the squelch defeat
key...
Post by Brian Reay
Plus, of course, there are other 4m radios (I run a Philips FM1000) and
there are several models of Key radios that are popular on the band.
I have a Pye MX294 on the band too, but ATM it has several faults, and
is way back in the queue for attention, considering the poor usability
of the band at this location. An excellent rig when it's working though,
and better IMHO than the Ascom. For the moment, I use an AKD4001 at 20w,
which gives reasonable local coverage within a 10 to 15-mile radius
depending on terrain.
Post by Brian Reay
There is 4m activity in this area (Nth Kent) and some Essex 70MHz RF even
finds its way here ;-)
There's some in the Herts and Beds area too. Unfortunately it often
consists of unthinking people who sit chatting on the calling frequency
and can't be *rs*d to QSY, so even if the SMPSU and computer QRM is in
abeyance that day, you can't call CQ.
Post by Brian Reay
Certainly, the few commercial 4m antennas doesn't help (although you'll
find a simple to build design on the website below).
A simple half-wave vertical at a reasonable height can work surprisingly
well - and a lot better than a centre-fed dipole; I assume that this is
due to the 'pole-position' mounting of the end-fed half-wave, and thus
no significant interaction with the mast.
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MattD..
2005-04-18 19:29:14 UTC
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Post by Andrew Marshall
That bloody daft Tx timeout is a 'fundamental' pain too. The
Ascom also suffers from intermittent partial keyboard lock - sometimes
the 'down 1 channel' key doesn't work, sometimes it's the squelch defeat
key...
What version of the ROM are you using, Andrew? The PA4DEN V4.02 ROM doesn't
seem to suffer any of these problems and the TX timeout is defeatable in
the menu (enter 4, scroll to TX limit:, enter to activate entry mode, then
000 will set it to none).

As for it being deaf, that's not the biggest problem with mine. The squelch
is, quite literally, abysmal at the moment. I'll get around to fixing that
problem one day soon. Since it is left on most of the time, the squelch
breaking every couple of seconds rapidly gets annoying, leaving me no
alternative but to up the control to two bars, the "even deafer" setting.

Mine also has the "deafen the operator" problem at minimum volume, which is
definitely going to get fixed once I find out why it is doing it.
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Chaney
2005-04-18 20:53:35 UTC
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I use a bhi unit with mine Matt...it certainly makes un-squelched FM
bearable...
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Post by MattD..
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Post by Andrew Marshall
That bloody daft Tx timeout is a 'fundamental' pain too. The
Ascom also suffers from intermittent partial keyboard lock - sometimes
the 'down 1 channel' key doesn't work, sometimes it's the squelch defeat
key...
What version of the ROM are you using, Andrew? The PA4DEN V4.02 ROM doesn't
seem to suffer any of these problems and the TX timeout is defeatable in
the menu (enter 4, scroll to TX limit:, enter to activate entry mode, then
000 will set it to none).
As for it being deaf, that's not the biggest problem with mine. The squelch
is, quite literally, abysmal at the moment. I'll get around to fixing that
problem one day soon. Since it is left on most of the time, the squelch
breaking every couple of seconds rapidly gets annoying, leaving me no
alternative but to up the control to two bars, the "even deafer" setting.
Mine also has the "deafen the operator" problem at minimum volume, which is
definitely going to get fixed once I find out why it is doing it.
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MattD..
2005-04-18 20:58:36 UTC
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Post by Chaney
I use a bhi unit with mine Matt...it certainly makes un-squelched FM
bearable...
It would. It's a bugger when the speaker is more expensive than the
radio ;-)

On second thoughts, scrap that comment. I had a KW 2000 that fell into that
category. Of course, the speaker also had the PSU in it.
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Chaney
2005-04-18 23:22:40 UTC
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I forgot to mention it has a volume control on it as well...use it on more
than one radio and divide the total cost...
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Post by MattD..
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Post by Chaney
I use a bhi unit with mine Matt...it certainly makes un-squelched FM
bearable...
It would. It's a bugger when the speaker is more expensive than the
radio ;-)
On second thoughts, scrap that comment. I had a KW 2000 that fell into that
category. Of course, the speaker also had the PSU in it.
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MattD..
2005-04-18 23:52:00 UTC
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Post by Chaney
I forgot to mention it has a volume control on it as well...use it on more
than one radio and divide the total cost...
What I would really like to do with one of those is try it on my 101ZD. I'll
get one of those modules, I think...
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Andrew Marshall
2005-04-18 22:17:00 UTC
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Post by MattD..
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Post by Andrew Marshall
That bloody daft Tx timeout is a 'fundamental' pain too. The
Ascom also suffers from intermittent partial keyboard lock - sometimes
the 'down 1 channel' key doesn't work, sometimes it's the squelch defeat
key...
What version of the ROM are you using, Andrew?
The original one set up by RATS (whatever the version code is for that).
I was talking to one of the locals late last year about updating it, and
had a look through the info he sent me (which was in German, and only
went to show how much German I'd forgotten since I last used it 35 years
ago) but it looks as if the likelihood of corrupting/damaging what's
there struck me as too much of a risk to take.
Post by MattD..
The PA4DEN V4.02 ROM doesn't
seem to suffer any of these problems and the TX timeout is defeatable in
the menu (enter 4, scroll to TX limit:, enter to activate entry mode, then
000 will set it to none).
There's no facility to kill the Tx timeout on the version I've got; I'd
need an upgrade to be able to do that, AFAICS.
Post by MattD..
As for it being deaf, that's not the biggest problem with mine. The squelch
is, quite literally, abysmal at the moment. I'll get around to fixing that
problem one day soon. Since it is left on most of the time, the squelch
breaking every couple of seconds rapidly gets annoying, leaving me no
alternative but to up the control to two bars, the "even deafer" setting.
Yes; I have the same annoyance here, with the local crud I mentioned
earlier; I'm not aware of any squelch level variation being possible
with the early setup.
Post by MattD..
Mine also has the "deafen the operator" problem at minimum volume, which is
definitely going to get fixed once I find out why it is doing it.
The inability to turn the AF gain right down is a pain on mine too; I
was at one stage considering feeding it into a dummy load, and using
that to drive an old car component hi-fi amplifier I have on a shelf
here. Perhaps it'd be simpler to fix the loud whine and
off-frequency/distorted sound of the MX294 and use that instead...
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MattD..
2005-04-19 11:36:07 UTC
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Post by Andrew Marshall
The original one set up by RATS (whatever the version code is for that).
I was talking to one of the locals late last year about updating it, and
had a look through the info he sent me (which was in German, and only
went to show how much German I'd forgotten since I last used it 35 years
ago) but it looks as if the likelihood of corrupting/damaging what's
there struck me as too much of a risk to take.
I would offer to send you an EPROM, but my programmer only blows up to a
128kbit device. The 550 needs a 512kbit (64kB) device.
Post by Andrew Marshall
Yes; I have the same annoyance here, with the local crud I mentioned
earlier; I'm not aware of any squelch level variation being possible
with the early setup.
There's a pot, R55, that adjusts the squelch threshold. It's finicky, and
you need to disassemble the radio to adjust it. Not only that, but all the
screening between the two main boards is built into the case, so with the
cover off to adjust the squelch, you may be setting it too high. The reason
I've been putting the adjustment off is that, to do it properly, I need to
get hold of an old case and drill the requisite holes for the adjustment
points. Doing the job in the workshop, with two computers and a Cisco
switch running, with the case off is not going to be a wise idea at all.
Post by Andrew Marshall
The inability to turn the AF gain right down is a pain on mine too; I
was at one stage considering feeding it into a dummy load, and using
that to drive an old car component hi-fi amplifier I have on a shelf
here. Perhaps it'd be simpler to fix the loud whine and
off-frequency/distorted sound of the MX294 and use that instead...
There is a fix, I believe. the Ascom Yahoo! group has the details in their
files. Another "when a get a round tuit" job, I'm afraid...
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MattD..
2005-04-18 16:59:57 UTC
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Post by Michael Hunger
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Mine is sat here monitoring 70.450 and 70.2625 as we speak (scan works
nicely on the V3 firmware). I have had a few rather nice QSOs on 4, too. It
beats 2m, no matter how dead it may seem at times.

The lithium battery on the head of most is probably dead, though. I had to
change mine a few months ago since every time I turned off the PSU I lost
the contents of the memories and all the text labels I had painstakingly
added. The battery holder from an old motherboard and a CR2032 ensures that
in five years time, when I have to replace it again, assuming we still
have 4m then, it will be a simple matter.
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Neil
2005-04-18 17:45:11 UTC
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have u tried http://www.70mhz.org/

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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the loft
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
Chaney
2005-04-18 19:00:08 UTC
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Is this another big hook???...

If not...my Ascom is always in use...M3KJD doesn't have 4m either...
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Post by Neil
have u tried http://www.70mhz.org/
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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the
loft
Post by Michael Hunger
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
Ken Ward
2005-04-18 20:56:20 UTC
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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
There must be thousands, shame that most of them are never used though.
Or if they do use them its usually a crappy indoor aerial put up in the loft
as an afterthought.
So they think the band is dead & bugger off !
I have TWO of them!

KW
MattD..
2005-04-18 21:18:29 UTC
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Post by Ken Ward
I have TWO of them!
_TWO_ Ascoms! Are they big 'uns or just little tiddlers? ;-)
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Paul
2005-04-19 08:32:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Hunger
Does anyone know how many of these are in uk circulation please ?
RATS dumped about 1500 and there have been a few outher sources selling
them as well, so a good guess would be about 2000.



Paul
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