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GB2RS NEWS Sunday 16th January 2011
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GB2RS NEWS

Sunday 16th January 2011

The news headlines:

Cadets' usage of 5MHz WSPR is clarified

IARU Technical Consultant appointment

South African Radio League proposal

Non-amateur cadet stations have been getting long-distance reports of
their 5MHz transmissions using the amateur Weak Signal Propagation
Reporting network but problems have arisen with their unusual callsign
formats. Consultation between the RSGB 5MHz working group and the cadet
organisations has resolved these.

CCF, ACF, and ATC cadets are permitted to communicate with amateurs on
the 5MHz channels and some have been trying the WSPR mode on the 5288.5
kHz channel. A large number of amateur stations worldwide monitor this
channel and report the signals heard via the wsprnet.org website.
However, the WSPR transmission format is only capable of coding regular
amateur callsigns of the prefix, digit, suffix format, but the cadet
callsigns are not in this form. After some initial trials by cadets it
was clear that any ad-hoc modification of cadet callsigns could cause
trouble.

To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.

IARU President Tim Ellam VE6SH/G4HUA has appointed Ian Greenshields,
G4FSU, as an IARU Technical Consultant, to represent IARU at various
regulatory meetings such as ITU meetings and to promote IARU objectives
at those meetings.

The South African Radio League is preparing documentation to gain access
to additional spectrum on the 160 meter band for amateur communication
in that nation. South African radio amateurs are being invited to make
input by sending their views as to why it is necessary to expand the
very narrow allocation currently available. Responders are asked to
include items such as propagation studies and of what benefit an
expanded 160 meter allocation will be. The South African Radio League
proposal will be presented at the next SARL and the Independent
Communications Authority of South Africa liaison meeting, planned for
February of 2011.

In just under a week an exciting nine day fund-raising event will start.
SOS Radio Week was created to raise money for the Royal National
Lifeboat Institution. Anyone can participate, be they clubs,
individuals, adults or youths. Simply register on the event web site,
download a sponsorship form and raise at least ?5. As an encouragement
there are over ?700 worth of prizes from Icom, the SRC Young Persons
award, a radio from Martin Lynch and four antennas from Sigma Euro-Comm
to give away. There are currently 47 stations registered. In addition
there is an award scheme for amateur radio operators that work
registered SOS Radio Week stations during the event. The event starts at
00:00 on 22 January and concludes at 23:39 on the 30th. Further details
can be found at www.sosradioweek.org.uk.

HM Queen Elizabeth II has awarded the Tristan Government Treasurer
Lorraine Repetto, ZD9CO an MBE for services to the community of Tristan
da Cunha in the New Year's Honours List published on 31 December 2010.

And now for the details of rallies and events for the coming week

Dover Radio Rally will be held today, 16 January, at Whitfield Village
Hall, Dover CT16 3LY, which is on the A2 just outside of Dover. The
event was revived last year and was such a success that extra space has
been arranged for the rally this year. The focus will be on radio
related items, rather than other electronic bits and bobs. The website
www.doverradiorally.com has all the usual information.

The Red Rose Winter Rally will be held at the George H Carnall Leisure
Centre, Kingsway Park,

M41 7FJ today, 16 January. There is free car parking and doors open at
11am. There will be trade stands, a Bring and Buy as well as an RSGB
bookstall. Details from Steve on 07502 295 141.

Advance notice now for the next rally, due to take place on 30 January.
The Horncastle Winter Rally will be held in the Horncastle Youth Centre,
Lincolnshire LN9 6DZ. Doors open at 10.30am and admission will be ?1.50.
Details from Tony, G3ZPU on 01507 527835, or email ***@yahoo.co.uk.

Now for the news of special events

The Porthmadog and District Amateur Radio Society is supporting SOS
Radio Week again this year. The club will be operating on 22 and 23
January from 10am to 6pm both days from Criccieth life boat station. And
on 29 and 30 January from 10am to 6pm the club will be operating from
the Porthmadog Yacht club The society will be using the callsign GB0PLB.
All visitors will be welcome to come along and join in or support.

Crewe Heritage Centre Amateur Radio Club will also be taking part in the
SOS Radio week, using GB4CHC on Sunday 23, Saturday 29 and Sunday 30
January. The Club will have two HF stations, one on SSB and one on
digimodes. They are being sponsored per country contacted and money
raised will go to the RNLI.

And now the HF DX news compiled from 425 DX News and other sources

Diego, LU8DIP will be on various South Shetland Islands from now to
about middle of March as LU8DIP/Z and LU1ZS on Base Teniente Camara Half
Moon Island. QSL via LU4DXU.

Alan, VK3XPD, Kevin, VK4UH and Mike, VK3KH are active from Norfolk
Island, which is IOTA reference OC-005, as VK9NA until 20 January. QSL
via VK3KH either direct of via the bureau.

Now the contest news

The UHF UK Activity Contest takes place on 18 January from 2000 to
2230UTC. Using all modes on the 1.3 and 2.3GHz bands, the exchange is
signal report, serial number and locator. Please note that there are
rule changes to the UKACs this year, including new entry categories for
10 watt stations, and active users of the DX cluster and chat channels
such as ON4KST. There is also a change to the locator squares multiplier
rule. To ensure you enter the right category and avoid claiming the
wrong score, please check the full rules on the Contest Committee
website at www.rsgbcc.org/vhf before the start.

The data leg of the 80m Club Championships takes place on 20 January
from 2000 to 2130UTC. The exchange is signal report and serial number.
Remember the maximum power allowed in Club Champs is 100 watts, but for
Foundation licensees and those who enjoy low power operation there's
also a 10 watt category.

The BARTG RTTY Sprint Contest takes place on 22 and 23 January from 1200
to 1200UTC on all bands from 3.5 to 28MHz. Single band entries are not
allowed in this event and BARTG have an interesting rule whereby any
single operator station that has been placed in the Top 10 in any BARTG
contest in the past three years must enter the `expert' category. The
contest exchange for this event is serial number only.

Now the solar report and forecast compiled by Martin Harrison, G3USF.

Solar activity has remained low to very low, with just two small C-class
flares reported on the 3rd and 4th. They had little or no impact on
propagation. The solar flux recovered from the low levels of the
Christmas period, reaching 92 on the 3rd before falling back to average
87 over the week ending January 9th. The 90-day average, which is the
best pointer to underlying trends, gained one point to 84. This time
last year it was 75. The X-ray flux averaged A8.0. For most of the time
geomagnetic activity remained at the low levels of recent weeks, but a
brief magnetic disturbance on the 7th reached minor storm level,
depressing MUFs at HF and bringing radio aurora in the early hours of
the 7th, when most European operators were probably asleep. Solar wind
speeds increased from 285klm/sec on the 3rd to 690km/sec on the 9th,
when Earth was within a recurring high-speed coronal stream. Particle
densities briefly reached 70 per cubic centimetre but were otherwise in
single figures, while the interplanetary magnetic field varied between
plus14 and minus 16 nanoTeslas around the same time. It, too, showed
only minor variation during the quieter periods. Overall, the HF bands
were generally in good shape, with MUFs at times reaching 28MHz, which
was open on several days. 160 and 80 metres provided good openings to
North America during the breakfast period, while the West Coast was
workable on 7MHz by the long path around 1600UTC.

Now the forecast. Solar activity is likely to remain low or very low
during the coming week, with only occasional C-class flares. The solar
flux looks likely to be in the mid-to-high 80s and geomagnetic activity
is expected to remain low. In short, though the Sun can always spring a
surprise, conditions during the coming week will probably show little
change. The low bands will still be close to their seasonal best, while
MUFs at equal latitudes will reach around 25MHz in the south and 22MHz
in the north. Darkness hour lows will be around 8MHz. Paths to the
Middle East will have a maximum usable frequency in the region of 25MHz.
The optimum working frequency at which there should be a 90 per cent
chance of a contact, will be about 21MHz. The path should be workable
between around 0800 to 1600UTC with 1000 to 1400 the optimum times.

And that's all for this week from the propagation team.

Next, the Local News:

Please note that details of all RSGB-affiliated clubs and societies

can be found on the RSGB website, including e-mail addresses

and website links where known.

[Note to Newsreaders: Please read the local news items appropriate to
the service area of your transmission.]

NEWS FOR THE MIDLANDS

On Monday 17 January Gloucester Amateur Radio & Electronics Society is
operating on VHF. Contact Anne, 2E1GKY, on 01452 548478, daytime.

On Monday 17 January South Birmingham Radio Society is holding a
committee meeting and putting the shack on the air. Contact Don, on 0121
458 1603.

On Tuesday 18 January Derby & District Amateur Radio Society is having a
video show. Contact Richard Buckby, by email to ***@dadars.org.uk.

On Tuesday 18 January Loughborough & District Amateur Radio Club is
having a video evening. More information from Chris, G1ETZ, on 01509 504
319.

On Wednesday 19 January Hinckley Amateur Radio Society is looking at
digital control of the FT-847. Details from John, M0JAV, on 07836
731544.

On Wednesday 19 January Lincoln Short-Wave Club is putting G5FZ on the
air. For more information contact Pam Rose, G4STO, on 01427 788356.

On Wednesday 19 January Midland Amateur Radio Society is having an open
meeting, putting the shack on the air and running training classes.
Details from Norman, G8BHE, on 01214 229 787.

On Wednesday 19 January Telford & District Amateur Radio Society is
planning portable events. Contact Mike, G3JKX, on 01952 299 677.

On Thursday 20 January Cheltenham Amateur Radio Association is having a
video evening. Contact Derek Thom, G3NKS, on 01242 241099.

On Thursday 20 January South Birmingham Radio Society is holding
training classes with Dave Murphy, G8OWL. Contact Don, on 0121 458 1603.

On Friday 21 January Bromsgrove & District Amateur Radio Club is having
a committee meeting. Contact Chris, M0BQE on 01905 776 869.

On Friday 21 January Coventry Amateur Radio Society is having a video
evening. Contact John, G8SEQ, on 07958 777363.

On Friday 21 January Melton Mowbray Amateur Radio Society is having a
talk on Worked all Britain by Dave Brooks G4IAR. For more information
contact Geoff, G3STG, on 01664 480 733.

On Friday 21 January Nunsfield House Amateur Radio Group is having a
junk sale. Details from Ken Frankcom, G3OCA, on 01332 720976.

On Friday 21 January South Birmingham Radio Society Friday is having a
construction evening. Contact Don, on 0121 458 1603.

On Saturday 22 January Lincoln Short-Wave Club is putting G5FZ on the
air and working around the shack. For more information contact Pam Rose,
G4STO, on 01427 788356.

NEWS FOR THE NORTH OF ENGLAND

Scarborough Amateur Radio Society is changing its venue for January,
February and March. The club will meet in the Festival Suites as the
main Pavilion is closed until April.

On Monday 17 January Angel of the North Amateur Radio Club is having a
talk on operating procedure and best practice by Nancy Bone. Contact
Nancy Bone, G7UUR, on 0191 477 0036.

On Monday 17 January Bolton Wireless Club is having its New Year get
together at the Watergate Toll Toby Carvery, Over Hulton. For details,
send an email to ***@gmail.com.

On Monday 17 January Scarborough Amateur Radio Society is having a talk
on sunspots and HF propagation by Mario Brashill, G2DPA. Details from
Jerry Scarr, G6LBL, on 01751 476601.

On Monday 17 January Sheffield Amateur Radio Club is running a mini flea
market followed by an open forum. More information from Peter Day,
G3PHO, by email to ***@g3pho.org.uk.

On Monday 17 January Thornton Cleveleys Amateur Radio Society is having
a talk on heath & safety by John, G8RDP. Contact Colin Hirst, G0EPY, by
e-mail to ***@sky.com.

On Monday 17 January Workington and District Radio and IT Group is
having a talk on baluns, traps and dipoles by Jim, G3ZPD. For more
information get in touch with Barry Easdon, G0RZI, on 01946 812092.

On Tuesday 18 January Chester & District Amateur Radio Society is having
a bring and tell at Burley Hall. Details from Barbara Green on 07957
870770.

On Tuesday 18 January Halifax & District Amateur Radio Society is having
a presentation by Richard, M0RBG on the RSGB 80m Club Contest and
computer logging. Contact Martin, M0GQB, on 01422 341317.

On Wednesday 19 January Hornsea Amateur Radio Club is having a talk by
G3TLI. Contact Gordon MacNaught, G3WOV, on 01377 240573.

On Wednesday 19 January Maltby & District Amateur Radio Society is
holding a computer clinic. Contact Keith, G1PQW, on 07701 156 678.

On Thursday 20 January Ripon & District Amateur Radio Society is having
a night on the air. Contact Rob Hall, M0RBY, on 0787 608 5631.

On Thursday 20 January South Manchester Radio and Computer Club is
revisiting antenna analysers with Dave, G4UGM. Details from Ron, G3SVW,
on 0161 969 3999.

On Thursday 20 January Wakefield & District Radio Society is holding a
committee meeting and is on the air. Contact Ken, 2E0SSQ, on 07900
563117.

On Friday 21 January East Cleveland Amateur Radio Club is having a bring
in something interesting evening. For more information contact Alistair,
G4OLK, on 01642 475 671.

On Saturday 22 January Wakefield & District Radio Society commences its
Intermediate course at 1.30 pm. The cost will be ?75 per candidate,
which includes the course itself, a course manual, the exam fee,
refreshments and temporary membership of the Society for the duration of
the course. Candidates will also be required to pay for any construction
materials they use for the course project and for a basic tool kit. The
Society's excellent shack and antenna facilities will be available
during the course for those that wish to use them. More details are on
the web at www.wdrs.org.uk or contact the Chairman, Ken Quinn, 2E0SSQ on
07900 563 117.

NEWS FOR NORTHERN IRELAND

All RSGB affiliated clubs in Northern Ireland are reminded that the
closing dates for entries for the Regional section of RSGB's Club of the
Year awardšis 25 January 2011. Further details from Peter, mi5jyk, by
email to ***@rsgb.org.uk.

NEWS FOR SCOTLAND

On Tuesday 18 January Livingston & District Amateur Radio Society is
having an operating evening. Details from Norman, on 07740 946192.

On Wednesday 19 January Glenrothes & District Radio Club is holding an
EGM. Details from Dave Francis, on 01383 823878.

On Wednesday 19 January West of Scotland Amateur Radio Society is
working on construction projects & licence training. More information
from Fred Coombes, 2M0BIN, on 01415 715512.

On Thursday 20 January Aberdeen Amateur Radio Society is holding its
AGM. More information from Lewis, GM4AJR, on 01224 575 663.

On Friday 21 January West of Scotland Amateur Radio Society is having
presentations, guest speakers, a quiz and a raffle. More information
from Fred Coombes, 2M0BIN, on 01415 715512.

NEWS FOR THE SOUTH EAST and EAST ANGLIA

Advance notice now that the Hastings Electronics & Radio Club has been
obliged to cancel its repeater group auction planned for 29 January due
to a lack of items for sale. Donations to Hastings Repeater Group are
still urgently required to keep GB3ES and GB3HE on the air this year.
For more information contact Gordon on 01424 431909.

On Monday 17 January Basingstoke Amateur Radio Club is holding a junk
sale. Details from Clive, G4ODM, on 01256 326050.

On Monday 17 January Burnham Beeches Radio Club continues the talk on
propagation by Dave, G8XCK. Contact Dave, G4XDU, on 01628 625 720.

On Tuesday 18 January Andover Radio Amateurs Club is having a club night
and holding a committee meeting. Details from Martin, M0MWS, on 07776
181646.

On Tuesday 18 January Brede Steam Amateur Radio Society is at the shack.
For more information contact Steve, on 01424 720815.

On Tuesday 18 January Bromley & District Amateur Radio Society is
holding its AGM. Details from Andy, G4WGZ, on 01689 878089.

On Tuesday 18 January Chelmsford Amateur Radio Society is having a club
net night. Contact Martyn, G1EFL, on 01245 469 008.

On Wednesday 19 January Havering & District Amateur Radio Club is having
an informal evening. Contact John, M0UKD, on 07817 365354.,
***@m0ukd.com

On Wednesday 19 January Worthing & District Amateur Radio Club is having
a DVD evening. Contact Phil, G4UDU, on 01903 816684.

On Thursday 20 January Cray Valley Radio Society Club is having an
activity planning meeting. Details from Bob, M0MCV, on 020 8265 7735
after 8pm.

On Thursday 20 January Horsham Amateur Radio Club is having a social
evening. Details are on the web at www.harc.org.uk.

On Thursday 20 January Shefford & District Amateur Radio Society is
having a rig checkout and taking part in the Data Mode Contest. Details
from David, G8UOD, on 01234 742 757.

On Thursday 20 January Sutton & Cheam Radio Society is having the story
of GB3VHF by Chris Whitmarsh, G0FDZ. More information from John, G0BWV,
on 020 8644 9945.

On Friday 21 January Cambridge & District Amateur Radio Club is looking
at Morse for all abilities. More information from Ron Huntsman on 012233
501712.

On Friday 21 January Mid-Sussex Amateur Radio Society is having a radio
night. Contact Peter, G4AKG, on 01444 239371.

On Friday 21 January Wey Valley Amateur Radio Group is having a club
night. Details on the web at www.weyvalleyarg.org.uk.

On Saturday 22 January Harwell Amateur Radio Society is holding its
annual dinner. Contact Malcolm, G8NRP, on 01235 524844.

On Sunday 23 January Hastings Electronics and Radio Club is holding its
annual luncheon at the Kings Arms, Ninfield, from noon. Contact Ron,
G4VBK, on 01424 428428.

On Sunday 23 January Loughton & Epping Forest Amateur Radio Society is
having its New Years' lunch at the Metropolitan Police Sports Club,
Chigwell. Contact Marc Litchman, G0TOC, on 020 8502 1645.

NEWS FOR THE SOUTH WEST

On Monday 17 January Appledore & District Amateur Radio Club is having a
natter night with QSL Cards. Contact Brian Jewell, M0BRB, on 01237
473251 for more information.

On Tuesday 18 January Blackmoor Vale Amateur Radio Society is having an
HF evening in the club shack. Contact Tony, G0GFL, on 01258 860741.

On Tuesday 18 January West Devon Radio Club is having a bring and buy
sale. Further information from Jules Cuddy, M1AGY, on 01752 291588.

On Wednesday 19 January Taunton & District Amateur Radio Club is holding
its Christmas and New Year dinner. Contact William, G3WNI, on 01823 666
234 for more information.

On Wednesday 19 January Thornbury & South Gloucestershire Amateur Radio
Club is having a video night. Contact Tony, G0WMB, on 01454 417048.

On Wednesday 19 January Trowbridge & District Amateur Radio Club is
holding its AGM. Details from Ian, G0GRI, on 01225 864 698, evenings and
weekends.

On Thursday 20 January Newquay & District Amateur Radio Society is
having a beginner's guide to local ATV by Keith Holland, G3MCD. Contact
Joe Bell, M6JOE, on 01726 891557.

On Thursday 20 January South Bristol Amateur Radio Club is having a
training session on shack equipment. Contact Len, G4RZY, on 01275 834
282.

On Thursday 20 January Swindon & District Amateur Radio Club is having a
natter night. Contact Den, M0ACM, on 07810 317750.

On Thursday 20 January Yeovil Amateur Radio Club is having a talk on the
RA17 by G7LNJ. Contact Steve Crask, G7AHP, by email to
***@g7ahp.co.uk.

On Friday 21 January Torbay Amateur Radio Society is having a natter
night. For more information contact Dave, G6FSP, by email to
***@tars.org.uk.

NEWS FOR WALES

Rhondda Amateur Radio Society is due to begin new Foundation and
Intermediate courses soon. Could those interested come along to the club
on Tuesday evenings from 7pm. The club meets at St Barnabus Church Hall,
Penygraig, Rhondda. Contact John Howells on 01443 432542.
j b
2011-01-14 17:23:05 UTC
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Why is it that the gb2rs news in glasgow area , the vhf broadcasters
always mention a fellow called colin watson , as a SWL every week this
clown gets a mention the guy has a wireless telegrathy act , against
him and is banned from using even a pmr446 radio , so why do they feel
the need to give him a bit of glory, this guy phoned up some office in
london and claimed to be part of the july 7th bombings he has been
sectioned twice and is in the local rag only a year ago making bomb
threats to MP's . but this person get's a mention evey week and before
all other hams itsjust not right and i for one do not call in to the
news broadcast for this reason here is some evidence what you all like
so much he calls him self CAPTIN DUMBARTONSHIRE aka COLIN WATSON
from TORRBEX ROAD ,CUMBERNAULD...........


http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_to_cheat_prison_1_351880

CANT FIND OTHER ARTICAL AT MOMENT BUT WILL POST UP
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 17:25:12 UTC
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I blame big elvis.......
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 17:53:34 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 18:59:30 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
is it not doing the news this week? ...
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 19:00:36 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
is it not doing the news this week? ...
not sure what do you think of colin w ?
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 19:02:53 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
is it not doing the news this week? ...
not sure what do you think of colin w ?
grade 1 idiot ....
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 19:05:00 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
is it not doing the news this week? ...
not sure what do you think of colin w ?
grade 1 idiot ....
have you had any mail,,,,,,,,
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 19:05:40 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
I blame big elvis.......
why ? BBA
is it not doing the news this week? ...
not sure what do you think of colin w ?
grade 1 idiot ....
have you had any mail,,,,,,,,
no.....
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 17:27:50 UTC
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Post by j b
CANT FIND OTHER ARTICAL AT MOMENT BUT WILL POST UP
just shows you there are bigger idiots about than on this NG .........
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 17:59:33 UTC
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Post by j b
Why is it that the gb2rs news in glasgow area , the vhf broadcasters
always mention a fellow called colin watson , as a SWL every week this
clown gets a mention the guy has a wireless telegrathy act , against
him and is banned from using even a pmr446 radio , so why do they feel
the need to give him a bit of glory, this guy phoned up some office in
london and claimed to be part of the july 7th bombings he has been
sectioned twice and is in the local rag only a year ago making bomb
threats to MP's . but this person get's a mention evey week and before
all other hams itsjust not right and i for one do not call in to the
news broadcast for this reason here is some evidence what you all like
so much he calls him self CAPTIN DUMBARTONSHIRE  aka COLIN WATSON
from TORRBEX ROAD ,CUMBERNAULD...........
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
CANT FIND OTHER ARTICAL AT MOMENT BUT WILL POST UP
**
Catweazel
2011-01-14 17:33:20 UTC
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Post by N***@rsgb.org.uk
GB2RS NEWS
Sunday 16th January 2011
Cadets' usage of 5MHz WSPR is clarified
[snip]
Non-amateur cadet stations have been getting long-distance reports of
their 5MHz transmissions using the amateur Weak Signal Propagation
Reporting network but problems have arisen with their unusual callsign
formats. Consultation between the RSGB 5MHz working group and the cadet
organisations has resolved these.
        CCF, ACF, and ATC cadets are permitted to communicate with amateurs on
the 5MHz channels and some have been trying the WSPR mode on the 5288.5
kHz channel. A large number of amateur stations worldwide monitor this
channel and report the signals heard via the wsprnet.org website.
However, the WSPR transmission format is only capable of coding regular
amateur callsigns of the prefix, digit, suffix format, but the cadet
callsigns are not in this form. After some initial trials by cadets it
was clear that any ad-hoc modification of cadet callsigns could cause
trouble.
        To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
Brian Reay.
2011-01-14 17:44:03 UTC
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Post by Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
Yes, as a Cadet or an instructor. The Cadets have used 5MHz for years and
years - back into the 50s I suspect.

The Cadets operate under the MOD "umbrella", just as we did when played
with 19 sets in the Cadets.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
gareth
2011-01-14 18:20:29 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay.
Post by Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
Yes, as a Cadet or an instructor. The Cadets have used 5MHz for years
and years - back into the 50s I suspect.
The Cadets operate under the MOD "umbrella", just as we did when played
with 19 sets in the Cadets.
Your attempt to cover your tracks fails miserably because you have told us
that
your CCF group had little interest in radio matters. Certainly your
commissioning
of the set at your home was most illegal.
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 18:31:34 UTC
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Why is it that the gb2rs news in glasgow area , the vhf broadcasters
always mention a fellow called colin watson , as a SWL every week
this
clown gets a mention the guy has a wireless telegrathy act , against
him and is banned from using even a pmr446 radio , so why do they
feel
the need to give him a bit of glory, this guy phoned up some office
in
london and claimed to be part of the july 7th bombings he has been
sectioned twice and is in the local rag only a year ago making bomb
threats to MP's . but this person get's a mention evey week and
before
all other hams itsjust not right and i for one do not call in to the
news broadcast for this reason here is some evidence what you all
like
so much he calls him self CAPTIN DUMBARTONSHIRE aka COLIN WATSON
from TORRBEX ROAD ,CUMBERNAULD...........

http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_to_cheat_prison_1_351880
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-14 18:40:50 UTC
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Post by j b
Why is it that the gb2rs news in glasgow area , the vhf broadcasters
always mention a fellow called colin watson , as a SWL every week
this
clown gets a mention the guy has a wireless telegrathy act , against
him and is banned from using even a pmr446 radio , so why do they
feel
the need to give him a bit of glory, this guy phoned up some office
in
london and claimed to be part of the july 7th bombings he has been
sectioned twice and is in the local rag only a year ago making bomb
threats to MP's . but this person get's a mention evey week and
before
all other hams itsjust not right and i for one do not call in to the
news broadcast for this reason here is some evidence what you all
like
so much he calls him self CAPTIN DUMBARTONSHIRE aka COLIN WATSON
from TORRBEX ROAD ,CUMBERNAULD...........
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_to_cheat_prison_1_351880
Try "Steve Wright in the Afternoon" he does listener's dedications if
you want one. Most people who listen to GB2RS are interested in the news
not listeners reports.
King Turnip
2011-01-14 22:58:32 UTC
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Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....

It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too! :-)
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 23:30:05 UTC
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Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too!   :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
Dave
2011-01-14 23:42:22 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too! :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl
Apart from other spelling mistakes in this post WTF is a ppl?

in question, one ham got the polis involed and
Post by MM6-JBN
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
Dave
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 23:52:11 UTC
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Post by Dave
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too!   :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl
Apart from other spelling mistakes in this post WTF is a ppl?
  in question, one ham got the polis involed and
Post by MM6-JBN
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
Dave
ppl = people
for the hard of seeing
Dave
2011-01-15 16:18:21 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Dave
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too! :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl
Apart from other spelling mistakes in this post WTF is a ppl?
in question, one ham got the polis involed and
Post by MM6-JBN
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
Dave
ppl = people
for the hard of seeing
Keep it to texting on your mobile phone then. I don't use and understand it.

Dave
j b
2011-01-15 16:39:50 UTC
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Post by Dave
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Dave
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too!   :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl
Apart from other spelling mistakes in this post WTF is a ppl?
   in question, one ham got the polis involed and
Post by MM6-JBN
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
Dave
ppl = people
for the hard of seeing
Keep it to texting on your mobile phone then. I don't use and understand it.
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like i said on a early post , times are changing , get with the
program , put up or shut up plain simples.
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 16:40:57 UTC
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Post by j b
like i said on a early post , times are changing , get with the
program , put up or shut up plain simples.
no...don't like any of these choices........
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 16:51:05 UTC
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Post by Dave
Post by MM6-JBN
Dave
ppl = people
for the hard of seeing
Keep it to texting on your mobile phone then. I don't use and understand it.
Dave
FFS Dave. Just kill-file the stupid tosser - and anybody who is daft
enough to reply to him.

I'm just about to kill-file you for that very reason, but don't take
it too personally. I'll take you out of it once you've stopped repying
to and quoting the tossers.

Nick.
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 00:18:05 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too! :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
I'm sorry I just don't get it, why do you even care who gets a mention
after the GB2RS News. It's of absolutely immaterial, its not a rite of
passage after all.
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 00:22:40 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too!   :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
I'm sorry I just don't get it, why do you even care who gets a mention
after the GB2RS News. It's of absolutely immaterial, its not a rite of
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a just dont think a guy like that should get a mention considering his
past involvement with said stuff
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 00:32:56 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by King Turnip
Post by j b
http://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/local-headlines/bomber_lucky_t...
Sends crank letters and emails to newspapers, local government and
central government, and thinks he represents a movement (or a pursuit)
that exists only in his imagination....
It's not just Glasgow - we have *that* sort in the South of England,
too! :-)
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
I'm sorry I just don't get it, why do you even care who gets a mention
after the GB2RS News. It's of absolutely immaterial, its not a rite of
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a just dont think a guy like that should get a mention considering his
past involvement with said stuff
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
Jeff
2011-01-15 11:25:33 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?

I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!

Jeff
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 11:31:30 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
Jeff
2011-01-15 11:41:15 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
Just so, but that said, I have never heard a newsreader just 'mention'
anyone, rather than reply to a call; (other than perhaps just a general
thanks to all our listeners or similar).

Jeff
j b
2011-01-15 16:37:06 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
Just so, but that said, I have never heard a newsreader just 'mention'
anyone, rather than reply to a call; (other than perhaps just a general
thanks to all our listeners or similar).
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he mentions this guy every week , the guy emails the reader vic ,
every week to have his swl03 call and name mentioned , EVERYWEEK. you
dont beleve me , ask jim ask my friend john
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 16:43:11 UTC
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Post by j b
he mentions this guy every week , the guy emails the reader vic ,
every week to have his swl03 call and name mentioned , EVERYWEEK. you
dont beleve me , ask jim ask my friend john
perhaps Vic has fogiven him and does not hold a grudge.....a bit like what
you lot want us to do with regard to previous pirate 11m activity ........
j b
2011-01-15 16:49:38 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by j b
he mentions this guy every week , the guy emails the reader vic ,
every week to have his swl03 call and name mentioned , EVERYWEEK. you
dont beleve me , ask jim ask my friend john
perhaps Vic has fogiven him and does not hold a grudge.....a bit like what
you lot want us to do with regard to previous pirate 11m activity ........
what skin of your nose is it ??
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 17:32:02 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by j b
he mentions this guy every week , the guy emails the reader vic ,
every week to have his swl03 call and name mentioned , EVERYWEEK. you
dont beleve me , ask jim ask my friend john
perhaps Vic has fogiven him and does not hold a grudge.....a bit like what
you lot want us to do with regard to previous pirate 11m activity ........
what skin of your nose is it ??
I give up..........do what you lot want...I don't care TA TA .........
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 11:45:56 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course  100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen , this is before he starts to read the main body
out , and way before the callsign round up , when he is speaking of
his own group he thanks his xyl and son who both have calls and the
news team then the SWL before the news starts.........
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 11:52:10 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen , this is before he starts to read the main body
out , and way before the callsign round up , when he is speaking of
his own group he thanks his xyl and son who both have calls and the
news team then the SWL before the news starts.........
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 11:54:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen , this is before he starts to read the main body
out , and way before the callsign round up , when he is speaking of
his own group he thanks his xyl and son who both have calls and the
news team then the SWL before the news starts.........
Who cares about a 'luvy list', its not the Oscars. There are much bigger
fish to fry sorting out the unacceptable conduct of a minority of so
called radio amateurs in the Greater Glasgow area!
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 11:59:41 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course  100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen , this is before he starts to read the main body
out , and way before the callsign round up , when he is speaking of
his own group he thanks his xyl and son who both have calls and the
news team then the SWL before the news starts.........
Who cares about a 'luvy list', its not the Oscars. There are much bigger
fish to fry sorting out the unacceptable conduct of a minority of so
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well people have prioritys
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 12:11:35 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by MM6-JBN
Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
You are of course 100% correct Jeff and its up to the individual who he
talks to. GB2RS is not licensed for two way communication and this
stated at the end of the transmission.
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen , this is before he starts to read the main body
out , and way before the callsign round up , when he is speaking of
his own group he thanks his xyl and son who both have calls and the
news team then the SWL before the news starts.........
Who cares about a 'luvy list', its not the Oscars. There are much bigger
fish to fry sorting out the unacceptable conduct of a minority of so
called radio amateurs in the Greater Glasgow area!- Hide quoted text -
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well people have prioritys
And a luvy list is the bottom of mine.
Jeff
2011-01-15 12:24:30 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Who cares about a 'luvy list', its not the Oscars. There are much bigger
fish to fry sorting out the unacceptable conduct of a minority of so
called radio amateurs in the Greater Glasgow area!
Well I would hope that the RSGB cares (some hope). It would appear from
the information given so far that the broadcaster is breaching the terms
of the GB2RS licence, and is bringing the broadcasts into disrepute by
using it for purposes other than just broadcasting the news script, and
associating the broadcasts with a known felon who has convictions
relating to the misuse of radio.

Jeff
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 13:09:14 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
Who cares about a 'luvy list', its not the Oscars. There are much bigger
fish to fry sorting out the unacceptable conduct of a minority of so
called radio amateurs in the Greater Glasgow area!
Well I would hope that the RSGB cares (some hope). It would appear from
the information given so far that the broadcaster is breaching the terms
of the GB2RS licence, and is bringing the broadcasts into disrepute by
using it for purposes other than just broadcasting the news script, and
associating the broadcasts with a known felon who has convictions
relating to the misuse of radio.
Jeff
If you think the RM's job includes acting as a policeman you are
mistaken, its not in the job description regardless or not you or anyone
else on here thinks it should be. As I've said many times before,
enforcement of the WTA is OFCOMs job not the RSGB.

If YOU think it warrens action nobody is stopping you, Joe or anyone
else on here going to OFCOM. To the best of my knowledge giving someone
a name check is NOT two way communication in terms of the WTA and its
not an offence to deviate from the GB2RS script. Let the NG know who you
get on.

On a related note I'm still waiting on the promised letters from Joe and
others about the alleged exam irregularities. I've had one signed letter
and its not from anybody on here. It has been passed on to the RCF along
with the emails.

Talks cheap, particular on a NG but some folk are not so keen to put a
name, address and sign an accusation. The laws of suitable and
sufficient evidence and corroboration are no different for radio amateurs.
Jeff
2011-01-15 13:18:29 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
If you think the RM's job includes acting as a policeman you are
mistaken, its not in the job description regardless or not you or anyone
else on here thinks it should be. As I've said many times before,
enforcement of the WTA is OFCOMs job not the RSGB.
If YOU think it warrens action nobody is stopping you, Joe or anyone
else on here going to OFCOM. To the best of my knowledge giving someone
a name check is NOT two way communication in terms of the WTA and its
not an offence to deviate from the GB2RS script. Let the NG know who you
get on.
On a related note I'm still waiting on the promised letters from Joe and
others about the alleged exam irregularities. I've had one signed letter
and its not from anybody on here. It has been passed on to the RCF along
with the emails.
Talks cheap, particular on a NG but some folk are not so keen to put a
name, address and sign an accusation. The laws of suitable and
sufficient evidence and corroboration are no different for radio amateurs.
That seems like a severe case of sloping shoulders. I t may not be in a
job description, but when an official of an organisation come across
something that can be construed as bringing that organisation into
disrepute they just can't abrogate their responsibilities and say 'it's
not my job'.

Jeff
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 13:42:24 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
If you think the RM's job includes acting as a policeman you are
mistaken, its not in the job description regardless or not you or anyone
else on here thinks it should be. As I've said many times before,
enforcement of the WTA is OFCOMs job not the RSGB.
If YOU think it warrens action nobody is stopping you, Joe or anyone
else on here going to OFCOM. To the best of my knowledge giving someone
a name check is NOT two way communication in terms of the WTA and its
not an offence to deviate from the GB2RS script. Let the NG know who you
get on.
On a related note I'm still waiting on the promised letters from Joe and
others about the alleged exam irregularities. I've had one signed letter
and its not from anybody on here. It has been passed on to the RCF along
with the emails.
Talks cheap, particular on a NG but some folk are not so keen to put a
name, address and sign an accusation. The laws of suitable and
sufficient evidence and corroboration are no different for radio amateurs.
That seems like a severe case of sloping shoulders. I t may not be in a
job description, but when an official of an organisation come across
something that can be construed as bringing that organisation into
disrepute they just can't abrogate their responsibilities and say 'it's
not my job'.
Jeff
Sorry Jeff your attitude is systematic of a number of radio amateurs
that the can't be bothered to do anything for themselves but expect
other to do it all for them. An RM not a full time job, I am not retired
and I do it in my spare time.

I am more than happy to raise the big issues but I am not wasting time
better spent 'playing' amateur radio on petty nit picking issues for the
likes of you. If you think you can do a better job stand for election
yourself as your local RM and show us all how it should be done.

IF you really have an issue you are quite at liberty to contact OFCOM
yourself. If it it is not important enough for you to do it, don't
expect others to do it on your behalf because you're too lazy.
gareth
2011-01-15 13:46:20 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
I am more than happy to raise the big issues but I am not wasting time
better spent 'playing' amateur radio on petty nit picking issues for the
likes of you.
You mean such as going out of your way to list the threads that
I have initiated? Seems like "petty nit picking issues" to me.

Still, being two-faced is par for the course for the representatives
of the RSCB who post to this NG.
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 13:49:01 UTC
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Post by gareth
Post by Len GM0ONX
I am more than happy to raise the big issues but I am not wasting time
better spent 'playing' amateur radio on petty nit picking issues for the
likes of you.
You mean such as going out of your way to list the threads that
I have initiated? Seems like "petty nit picking issues" to me.
Still, being two-faced is par for the course for the representatives
of the RSCB who post to this NG.
Still the same old tripe from Gareth.
Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 14:14:44 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:42:24 +0000, Len GM0ONX
... the likes of you.
That's a good turn of phrase. It's turning up all over the place now.
:-)))

73 de G3NYY
--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 14:23:20 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:42:24 +0000, Len GM0ONX
... the likes of you.
That's a good turn of phrase. It's turning up all over the place now.
:-)))
73 de G3NYY
You're another "weary Wally", another phrase that will turn up all over
the place! :-) Its being so miserable and moaning that keeps you happy.

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Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 14:29:15 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:23:20 +0000, Len GM0ONX
Post by Len GM0ONX
You're another "weary Wally", another phrase that will turn up all over
the place! :-) Its being so miserable and moaning that keeps you happy.
Tee hee! I may be a few things, Len, but miserable and moaning is not
amongst them.
:-)

73 de G3NYY
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Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 15:01:36 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:23:20 +0000, Len GM0ONX
Post by Len GM0ONX
You're another "weary Wally", another phrase that will turn up all over
the place! :-) Its being so miserable and moaning that keeps you happy.
Tee hee! I may be a few things, Len, but miserable and moaning is not
amongst them.
:-)
73 de G3NYY
Maybe in real life but definitely on here. I've heard you on the air and
you're the perfect gentleman to foundation license holders but on here
you do a fair impersonation of a grumpy old fart!:-)
Jeff
2011-01-15 15:27:41 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Sorry Jeff your attitude is systematic of a number of radio amateurs
that the can't be bothered to do anything for themselves but expect
other to do it all for them. An RM not a full time job, I am not retired
and I do it in my spare time.
I am not in the area and I am going on what has been posted here, it
would appear that you have first hand knowledge of the happenings, so it
would be you who 'can't be bothered'!!!
Post by Len GM0ONX
I am more than happy to raise the big issues but I am not wasting time
better spent 'playing' amateur radio on petty nit picking issues for the
likes of you. If you think you can do a better job stand for election
yourself as your local RM and show us all how it should be done.
So associating the organization that you claim to represent with
criminals and disreputable goings on is 'nit picking'.
Post by Len GM0ONX
IF you really have an issue you are quite at liberty to contact OFCOM
yourself. If it it is not important enough for you to do it, don't
expect others to do it on your behalf because you're too lazy.
I did not mention Ofcom, it is the RSGB that is being associated with
these people, the same organisation that you claim to represent,and it
their newsreader who appears to be doing it so it is up to the RSGB to
keep its own house in order.

Jeff
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 16:13:31 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
Sorry Jeff your attitude is systematic of a number of radio amateurs
that the can't be bothered to do anything for themselves but expect
other to do it all for them. An RM not a full time job, I am not retired
and I do it in my spare time.
I am not in the area and I am going on what has been posted here, it
would appear that you have first hand knowledge of the happenings, so it
would be you who 'can't be bothered'!!!
But Jeff I don't have first hand knowledge of what is happening, I've
never heard it either. I can't even hear GB2RS from Glasgow on VHF from
this QTH with a collinear. Scotland is not flat and is 20 miles up over
the Fenwick Moors rising to several hundred metres ASL and then down the
other side to Glasgow which is close to sea level.
Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I am more than happy to raise the big issues but I am not wasting time
better spent 'playing' amateur radio on petty nit picking issues for the
likes of you. If you think you can do a better job stand for election
yourself as your local RM and show us all how it should be done.
So associating the organization that you claim to represent with
criminals and disreputable goings on is 'nit picking'.
Post by Len GM0ONX
IF you really have an issue you are quite at liberty to contact OFCOM
yourself. If it it is not important enough for you to do it, don't
expect others to do it on your behalf because you're too lazy.
I did not mention Ofcom, it is the RSGB that is being associated with
these people, the same organisation that you claim to represent,and it
their newsreader who appears to be doing it so it is up to the RSGB to
keep its own house in order.
No offence appears to have been committed as the alleged 'mention' is
not a two way communication under the WTA and GB2RS is licensed to
Broadcast. It is also not an offence to deviate from the GB2RS script in
this manner.

Yet again attempting nit picking just for the hell of it from the over
representation of barrack room lawyers we seem to have on this NG.
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 16:33:56 UTC
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Post by Jeff
So associating the organization that you claim to represent with
criminals and disreputable goings on is 'nit picking'.
BEHAVE! Jeff. Of course it's not "nit picking," it's bleedin'
advertising innit?

You should send the blighters a bill.

Nick.
gareth
2011-01-15 13:28:46 UTC
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If you think the RM's job includes acting as a policeman you are mistaken,
its not in the job description regardless or not you or anyone else on
here thinks it should be. As I've said many times before, enforcement of
the WTA is OFCOMs job not the RSGB.
On a related note I'm still waiting on the promised letters from Joe and
others about the alleged exam irregularities. I've had one signed letter
and its not from anybody on here. It has been passed on to the RCF along
with the emails.
So much for your oft-repeated claim to not be representing the RSCB
in this NG.

Still, being two-faced is par for the course for the representatives
of the RSCB who post here.
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 13:47:48 UTC
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Post by gareth
If you think the RM's job includes acting as a policeman you are mistaken,
its not in the job description regardless or not you or anyone else on
here thinks it should be. As I've said many times before, enforcement of
the WTA is OFCOMs job not the RSGB.
On a related note I'm still waiting on the promised letters from Joe and
others about the alleged exam irregularities. I've had one signed letter
and its not from anybody on here. It has been passed on to the RCF along
with the emails.
So much for your oft-repeated claim to not be representing the RSCB
in this NG.
Still, being two-faced is par for the course for the representatives
of the RSCB who post here.
Gareth you are a complete plonker, the views on here by me are mine. The
RSGB has not asked anyone to represent them on this NG so the views
expressed are those of individuals whether or not the do voluntary work
for them or not and not the RSGB.

I know you are a "Pooh bear of very little brain" but I though even you
could work that difference out.
gareth
2011-01-15 13:49:05 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
I know you are a "Pooh bear of very little brain" but I though even you
could work that difference out.
Being gratuitously abusive is par for the course for the representatives of
the RSCB who post here.
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 14:07:04 UTC
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Post by gareth
Post by Len GM0ONX
I know you are a "Pooh bear of very little brain" but I though even you
could work that difference out.
Being gratuitously abusive is par for the course for the representatives of
the RSCB who post here.
F1

Yet again an unpalatable true confused as abuse.
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 13:55:39 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Well I would hope that the RSGB cares (some hope). It would appear from
the information given so far that the broadcaster is breaching the terms
of the GB2RS licence, and is bringing the broadcasts into disrepute by
using it for purposes other than just broadcasting the news script, and
associating the broadcasts with a known felon who has convictions
relating to the misuse of radio.
Jeff
Just be grateful that The Bishop isn't a news reader. If he were you
might hear mention of boots, blankets, "having nothing to hide" and
our wonderful policemen, before, after and probably during every news
broadcast.

Nick.
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 12:15:59 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen ,
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 12:28:21 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
you listen to vhf news broadcast from glasgow , the fellow has been
getting a mention every week from before i had my call , al record it
tomorrow and let u hear , "and thanks to colin in cumbernauld our
short wave listen ,
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 12:40:55 UTC
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bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
I know ...the twins used my postings to complain to my former
employer......I can't stand people who break the law for years but then
complain when something offends them or they can get you for slagging off
some diddy at work.....scumbags
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 12:44:59 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
I know ...the twins used my postings to complain to my former
employer......I can't stand people who break the law for years but then
complain when something offends them or they can get you for slagging off
some diddy at work.....scumbags
we dont agree on a lot but that we do jim . they are pair of faggot
arsebandits.............
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 12:56:50 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
I know ...the twins used my postings to complain to my former
employer......I can't stand people who break the law for years but then
complain when something offends them or they can get you for slagging off
some diddy at work.....scumbags
we dont agree on a lot but that we do jim . they are pair of faggot
arsebandits.............
HELLO Joe and Rab......what you doing these days? .... nobody to complain to
...shame that.....har har...
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 12:58:21 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
I know ...the twins used my postings to complain to my former
employer......I can't stand people who break the law for years but then
complain when something offends them or they can get you for slagging off
some diddy at work.....scumbags
we dont agree on a lot but that we do jim . they are pair of faggot
arsebandits.............
HELLO Joe and Rab......what you doing these days? .... nobody to complain
to ...shame that.....har har...
don't get confused now ... Rab calls himself "Jim" on 27.555 ........ and he
thinks the pakis are taking over......
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 13:10:31 UTC
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Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
Post by Jimbo ...
bet you a fiver big elvis won't do it ........
it will prob stop now i have mentioned it in here , you would be
suprise who all reads these here post , HELLO
I know ...the twins used my postings to complain to my former
employer......I can't stand people who break the law for years but then
complain when something offends them or they can get you for slagging off
some diddy at work.....scumbags
we dont agree on a lot but that we do jim . they are pair of faggot
arsebandits.............
HELLO Joe and Rab......what you doing these days? .... nobody to complain
to ...shame that.....har har...
don't get confused now ... Rab calls himself "Jim" on 27.555 ........ and he
thinks the pakis are taking over......- Hide quoted text -
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rab ans joe , you dont no where one ends and the other begins , do you
think if you hit one ther other would feal it , wee joe got caught out
with his false number phone people through the nigh
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 16:38:53 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
wee joe got caught out
with his false number phone people through the nigh
what? .....
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 16:40:04 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
wee joe got caught out
with his false number phone people through the nigh
what? .....
right he phoned people during the night........twins in general are
wierd...........
Jeff
2011-01-15 12:33:56 UTC
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I still don't understand what this 'luvvy list' is, or why it is
necessary to mention people who have not called in and given a report!!

Jeff
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 12:44:09 UTC
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I still don't understand what this 'luvvy list' is, or why it is necessary
to mention people who have not called in and given a report!!
Jeff
as far as I can remember this Colin from Cumbernauld has been sending
reports as a listener for years and Vic GM3VTB just gives him a mention
along with other listeners...it is a BROADCAST after all ........
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 13:44:35 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Len GM0ONX
I just don't think it matters. Its not the only complaint I've heard
about not getting a mention after GB2RS. I haven't one since the mid
80's and never with this callsign, so what?
What is the 'getting a mention' after the broadcast?
I have never heard a newsreader 'mention' anyone; only, if time permits,
responses to calls and reports under his own callsign!!
Jeff
They're far more 'tribal' in Scotland, Jeff. Particularly in the
Glasgow area... Very much like the hard of thinking, up in Ulster.
They're at their happiest re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vedettas.

Nick.
gareth
2011-01-15 13:47:40 UTC
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Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Very much like the hard of thinking, up in Ulster.
They're at their happiest re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vendettas.
I thought that M3OSN was a Geordie not an Oirishman.

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l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 14:15:33 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:47:40 -0000, "gareth"
Post by gareth
Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Very much like the hard of thinking, up in Ulster.
They're at their happiest re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vendettas.
I thought that M3OSN was a Geordie not an Oirishman.
I've always found it hard to believe he was a true Geordie.

On the whole Geordies are a good natured bunch. A bit slow and easily
impressed by things such as electric lights and running water, but
otherwise good people

Nick.
gareth
2011-01-15 14:21:00 UTC
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Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:47:40 -0000, "gareth"
Post by gareth
Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Very much like the hard of thinking, up in Ulster.
They're at their happiest re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vendettas.
I thought that M3OSN was a Geordie not an Oirishman.
I've always found it hard to believe he was a true Geordie.
On the whole Geordies are a good natured bunch. A bit slow and easily
impressed by things such as electric lights and running water, but
otherwise good people
Perhaps not Geordie, but perhaps the inspiration for Georgie Peorgie, who is
alleged
to have made the girls cry and then run away with his tail between his legs?
Ian Jackson
2011-01-15 16:49:42 UTC
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Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:47:40 -0000, "gareth"
Post by gareth
Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Very much like the hard of thinking, up in Ulster.
They're at their happiest re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vendettas.
I thought that M3OSN was a Geordie not an Oirishman.
I've always found it hard to believe he was a true Geordie.
On the whole Geordies are a good natured bunch. A bit slow and easily
impressed by things such as electric lights and running water, but
otherwise good people
Nah. Geordies are used to such newfangled magic.

<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cWDwBpD_zfcJ:uk.ask
.com/wiki/Hydro_electricity+cragside+electricity+%22pelton+wheel%22&cd=10
&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a>

"In 1878, the world's first house to be powered with hydroelectricity
was Cragside in Northumberland, England."

The generator was powered by a Pelton Wheel. So there you have it -
running water and electricity.

And it was really Swan who invented the incandescent lightbulb (not
Edison).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
Mind you, he was born in Sunderland, so he was a Mackem rather than a
Geordie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackem
--
Ian
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 17:02:09 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:49:42 +0000, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
And it was really Swan who invented the incandescent lightbulb (not
Edison).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
Mind you, he was born in Sunderland, so he was a Mackem rather than a
Geordie.
As I said, easily impressed... He invented the bleedin' light-bulb,
turned it on and sat around admiring it for the next ten years whilst
the Americans beat him to the patent office.

I remember being stuck in Alnwick overnight once and wondering what
the crowds were in the main street for in the evening... Turns out
they were only there to watch the traffic-lights change.

Nick.
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 14:11:29 UTC
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re-fighting long-dead wars and ancient
vedettas.
Sometimes even VENDETTAS.

Nick.
Jimbo ...
2011-01-15 08:30:26 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
a just dont think a guy like that should get a mention considering his
past involvement with said stuff
I don't listen to the news much...Is it Vic that mentions him? ... perhaps
Vic doesn't know? ......
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 12:59:17 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
a just dont think a guy like that should get a mention considering his
past involvement with said stuff
I don't listen to the news much...Is it Vic that mentions him? ... perhaps
Vic doesn't know? ......
its common knoledge.......
gareth
2011-01-15 09:35:37 UTC
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.... GB2RS News. It's of absolutely immaterial, ...
You said it
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 11:20:04 UTC
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On 15/01/2011 09:35, gareth wrote:
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Post by gareth
You said it
But nowhere near as immaterial as anything you say
Number 6.
2011-01-15 02:59:38 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
You think getting the cops involved was wrong ?

We have an amateur down in kent that does that sort of thing.

He has set the cops on two amateurs so far.

You must know him he is on here daily. G8OSN, name of Brian.
gareth
2011-01-15 09:39:47 UTC
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Post by MM6-JBN
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
# You think getting the cops involved was wrong ?
# We have an amateur down in kent that does that sort of thing.
# He has set the cops on two amateurs so far.

Making for three separate occasions, so far.

# You must know him he is on here daily. G8OSN, name of Brian.

I cannot understand the rationale behind someone who deliberately
winds up others (and the Google record which he is so fond of
recommending condemns him utterly in that respect) and then runs
sobbing nad screaming to seek that his fellow w*nkmasons in the
ploddery should dry his tears for him when someone stands up
against his playground bullying tactics.

Perhaps there is no logical rationale; perhaps it is just the temper
tantrums
of an infantile mind?
MM6-JBN
2011-01-15 12:58:52 UTC
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Post by Number 6.
Post by MM6-JBN
he is a proper fruit and nut , he was cought taken photos of hams and
podting them to the ppl in question, one ham got the polis involed and
the fellow got a formal warning , and the rsgb news mention this
person every week in their broadcast, somethink not right about that
You think getting the cops involved was wrong ?
We have an amateur down in kent that does that sort of thing.
He has set the cops on two amateurs so far.
You must know him he is on here daily.  G8OSN,  name of Brian.
ha hah aa
Walt Davidson
2011-01-14 17:53:15 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:33:20 -0800 (PST), Catweazel
Post by Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
It implies that the RSCB has now embraced the "make up your own
callsign" mentality.

73 de Wlat
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Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-14 18:35:24 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:33:20 -0800 (PST), Catweazel
Post by Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
It implies that the RSCB has now embraced the "make up your own
callsign" mentality.
73 de Wlat
You really are a "weary Wullie" or is a "weary Wally" nearer the truth?
MM6-JBN
2011-01-14 18:45:20 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by Walt Davidson
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:33:20 -0800 (PST), Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with  CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
It implies that the RSCB has now embraced the "make up your own
callsign" mentality.
73 de Wlat
You really are a "weary Wullie" or is a "weary Wally" nearer the truth?
walt is a good guy len, i got a qsl card from him today in the
post...........:-)
Jimbo ...
2011-01-14 19:02:07 UTC
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Post by Len GM0ONX
Post by Walt Davidson
73 de Wlat
You really are a "weary Wullie" or is a "weary Wally" nearer the truth?
walt is a good guy len, i got a qsl card from him today in the
post...........:-)
he was just checking I wasn't you........he should be happy now .....
Brian Howie
2011-01-14 20:28:11 UTC
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In message
Post by Catweazel
Post by N***@rsgb.org.uk
GB2RS NEWS
Sunday 16th January 2011
Cadets' usage of 5MHz WSPR is clarified
[snip]
Non-amateur cadet stations have been getting long-distance reports of
their 5MHz transmissions using the amateur Weak Signal Propagation
Reporting network but problems have arisen with their unusual callsign
formats. Consultation between the RSGB 5MHz working group and the cadet
organisations has resolved these.
        CCF, ACF, and ATC cadets are permitted to communicate with amateurs on
the 5MHz channels and some have been trying the WSPR mode on the 5288.5
kHz channel. A large number of amateur stations worldwide monitor this
channel and report the signals heard via the wsprnet.org website.
However, the WSPR transmission format is only capable of coding regular
amateur callsigns of the prefix, digit, suffix format, but the cadet
callsigns are not in this form. After some initial trials by cadets it
was clear that any ad-hoc modification of cadet callsigns could cause
trouble.
        To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
You could do contests too.

Http://acfccfsignals.org.uk/rollingthunder09.php

DIJ
--
Brian Howie
RobertM
2011-01-14 21:18:06 UTC
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Post by Brian Howie
In message
Post by N***@rsgb.org.uk
GB2RS NEWS
Sunday 16th January 2011
Cadets' usage of 5MHz WSPR is clarified
[snip]
Non-amateur cadet stations have been getting long-distance reports of
their 5MHz transmissions using the amateur Weak Signal Propagation
Reporting network but problems have arisen with their unusual callsign
formats. Consultation between the RSGB 5MHz working group and the cadet
organisations has resolved these.
CCF, ACF, and ATC cadets are permitted to communicate with amateurs on
the 5MHz channels and some have been trying the WSPR mode on the 5288.5
kHz channel. A large number of amateur stations worldwide monitor this
channel and report the signals heard via the wsprnet.org website.
However, the WSPR transmission format is only capable of coding regular
amateur callsigns of the prefix, digit, suffix format, but the cadet
callsigns are not in this form. After some initial trials by cadets it
was clear that any ad-hoc modification of cadet callsigns could cause
trouble.
To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
You could do contests too.
Http://acfccfsignals.org.uk/rollingthunder09.php
DIJ
When I was a Squadron Radio Instructor with the Air Cadets I operated
5MHz both from the squadron and also /M using a TS50 via an auto ATU
into a 9ft whip.

Lot's of activity on VHF/UHF as well. Some of us were studying
propagation on those frequencies with interested cadets long before the
5MHz NoV came into being. We operated on spot frequencies up to 13MHz.

During the millennium the cadets at my squadron operated on amateur
frequencies as M2000Y/MRC15 and M2001Y/MRC15. Myself and a couple of
cadets who knew CW put the calls on 14MHz and the pile ups were amazing.
--
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M0WWS
2011-01-15 07:27:20 UTC
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Post by Catweazel
Does this imply that if I were to become associated with CCF, ACF,
and ATC cadets,
I could operate on '5MHz' without a license or without an NoV?
It's their band not ours. They can do what they like.
Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 09:40:44 UTC
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Post by M0WWS
It's their band not ours. They can do what they like.
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?

73 de G3NYY
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Ian Jackson
2011-01-15 10:28:26 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
Post by M0WWS
It's their band not ours. They can do what they like.
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?
"Suggest", Walt, not "tell".
There's no harm in "suggesting" - just like bandplans are "suggestions"
rather than "tellings".
--
Ian
Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 13:29:37 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:28:26 +0000, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Walt Davidson
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?
"Suggest", Walt, not "tell".
There's no harm in "suggesting" - just like bandplans are "suggestions"
rather than "tellings".
It has all the characteristics of G3LEQ about it.

73 de Wlat
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l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 14:06:43 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:29:37 +0000, Walt Davidson
Post by Walt Davidson
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:28:26 +0000, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Walt Davidson
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?
"Suggest", Walt, not "tell".
There's no harm in "suggesting" - just like bandplans are "suggestions"
rather than "tellings".
It has all the characteristics of G3LEQ about it.
73 de Wlat
Is he still 'Board member without point/portfolio'?

Nick.
Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 14:17:45 UTC
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Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Is he still 'Board member without point/portfolio'?
No, but I think he is still involved in making up rules for everyone
who chooses to use the 5 MHz band. We have him to thank for decreeing
that the "SINPO" code should be used on 5 MHz!
:-)

73 de Wlat
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Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
l***@eternal-flames.gov
2011-01-15 14:47:10 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:17:45 +0000, Walt Davidson
Post by Walt Davidson
Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Is he still 'Board member without point/portfolio'?
No, but I think he is still involved in making up rules for everyone
who chooses to use the 5 MHz band. We have him to thank for decreeing
that the "SINPO" code should be used on 5 MHz!
:-)
73 de Wlat
Which will be why he has that 'Nice but dim' sobriquet.

Nick.
M0WWS
2011-01-15 16:05:23 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
Post by M0WWS
It's their band not ours. They can do what they like.
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?
It doesn't, the software they are using does. The RSGB has no authority in
such matters.
Len GM0ONX
2011-01-15 16:15:11 UTC
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Post by M0WWS
Post by Walt Davidson
Post by M0WWS
It's their band not ours. They can do what they like.
Indeed. So how does that enable the RSCB to tell them what callsigns
to use and what operating procedure to use?
It doesn't, the software they are using does. The RSGB has no authority in
such matters.
Correct its up to to the MOD and OFCOM.
Walt Davidson
2011-01-15 17:26:24 UTC
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Post by M0WWS
The RSGB has no authority in
such matters.
The RSGB has no authority. Full stop.

73 de G3NYY
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Walt Davidson
2011-01-14 17:51:50 UTC
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Post by N***@rsgb.org.uk
To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.
So the RSCB is now actually TELLING people to just make up a callsign
and go on the air with it!

It beggars belief!

73 de Wlat
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Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
Steve Terry
2011-01-15 09:37:03 UTC
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Post by Walt Davidson
Post by N***@rsgb.org.uk
To avoid the possibility of misleading or confusing callsigns being
seen on WSPR, the RSGB 5MHz working group has suggested that the cadets
modify their callsigns by transposing the digits and the letters in the
cadet callsign and in some cases adding an initial letter M. This
creates a dummy amateur callsign in the form M89X or M89YZ. The cadet
organisations have agreed to implement this suggestion, which will make
it possible to correctly identify transmissions from these cadet
stations.
So the RSCB is now actually TELLING people to just make up a callsign
and go on the air with it!
It beggars belief!
73 de Walt
Walt Davidson
Glad to see the RSGB has finally taken my advice.
Don't bother with the FL, just make one up, it's worth the same.

Steve Terry
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