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Spike
2017-06-02 14:33:35 UTC
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There's an interesting thread started over in the other place, that one
might think was more appropriate to a computer-oriented group.

In some ways it illustrates how detached the radio aspects are becoming
from the computerised measurement, operating, data-mode ethos of today -
just as was mentioned by Coomber in his description of the RPi
Buildathon after which all the youngsters recalled everything apart from
the radio aspect.

After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis in the
world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
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Spike
Brian Reay
2017-06-02 14:46:04 UTC
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There's an interesting thread started over in the other place, that one
might think was more appropriate to a computer-oriented group.
In some ways it illustrates how detached the radio aspects are becoming
from the computerised measurement, operating, data-mode ethos of today -
just as was mentioned by Coomber in his description of the RPi
Buildathon after which all the youngsters recalled everything apart from
the radio aspect.
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis in the
world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Yawn, give it a rest Spike. You may have no interest in radio or its
future, others have.
Fred Roberts
2017-06-02 22:02:38 UTC
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There's an interesting thread started over in the other place, that
one might think was more appropriate to a computer-oriented group.
In some ways it illustrates how detached the radio aspects are
becoming from the computerised measurement, operating, data-mode
ethos of today - just as was mentioned by Coomber in his description
of the RPi Buildathon after which all the youngsters recalled
everything apart from the radio aspect.
The RSGB haven't a bloody clue how to attract people to amateur radio,
if they did they wouldn't be in the position they are now, the fun bus
wouldn't be a rusting shell and we wouldn't have thousands of gobshites
infesting the one time amateur bands.
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis in
the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-

http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq

is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet which
easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and simultaneous
logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the nuts of you, dog slow
digital mode which I have yet to see any kids remotely interested in.
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Magistrates’ Court
Spike
2017-06-02 22:19:26 UTC
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Post by Spike
There's an interesting thread started over in the other place, that
one might think was more appropriate to a computer-oriented group.
In some ways it illustrates how detached the radio aspects are
becoming from the computerised measurement, operating, data-mode
ethos of today - just as was mentioned by Coomber in his description
of the RPi Buildathon after which all the youngsters recalled
everything apart from the radio aspect.
The RSGB haven't a bloody clue how to attract people to amateur radio,
if they did they wouldn't be in the position they are now, the fun bus
wouldn't be a rusting shell and we wouldn't have thousands of gobshites
infesting the one time amateur bands.
"The bums-on-seats policy hasn't worked. We need more bums on seats! Get
more gobshites on the bands!!"
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis in
the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet which
easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and simultaneous
logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the nuts of you, dog slow
digital mode which I have yet to see any kids remotely interested in.
It's like txting, only more boring, complex, and unwieldy.
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Spike
Fred Roberts
2017-06-03 08:46:48 UTC
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"The bums-on-seats policy hasn't worked. We need more bums on seats!
Get more gobshites on the bands!!"
All they did was get more get more gobshites on the bands, thousands of
class b twats too feckless to get on the bands in any honorable fashion
and a load of NuHams too stupid to sit an RAE. It'd be interesting to
know how many NuHams who in humble gratitude but their bums to RSGB
seats, at a guess I'd say somewhere between zero and twenty.
Post by Spike
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis
in the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO.
This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet
which easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and
simultaneous logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the
nuts of you, dog slow digital mode which I have yet to see any kids
remotely interested in.
It's like txting, only more boring, complex, and unwieldy.
Exactly, just as bad is some idiot talking pidjin English into a
microphone about what "his first personal would be" - don't they know
these kids are talking worldwide everyday with fancy little headsets in
multiplayer online gaming? Show them CW however and the interest is
phenomenal - real radio and not some minor branch of the computing hobby!
--
The maths teacher broke down in tears at the North West Wiltshire
Magistrates’ Court
Allan M3RKV
2017-06-03 09:00:18 UTC
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I wouldn't say all hope is lost, sure the rsgb hasn't done well attracting younger people, but at the same time we need to attract the right people to the hobby, I don't want to hear the stuff I've heard on xbox live over the airwaves. A few clubs round my area are doing a fantastic job working with young people, and a lot are going for the foundation license. I think the hardest challenge facing young amateurs is maintaining interest and education after the exam.
Spike
2017-06-03 09:13:07 UTC
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I wouldn't say all hope is lost, sure the rsgb hasn't done well attracting younger people, but at the same time we need to attract the right people to the hobby, I don't want to hear the stuff I've heard on xbox live over the airwaves. A few clubs round my area are doing a fantastic job working with young people, and a lot are going for the foundation license. I think the hardest challenge facing young amateurs is maintaining interest and education after the exam.
This would be all well and good if youngsters were going to stay the
course. The entire youth programme has resulted in nothing but the
tiniest blip down one end of the RSGB's membership surveys age graph.
The results of the same surveys show two major things: the 'average
amateur' is a white male of 60 years of age who builds things and works
HF CW; and that the people who come to AR and stay with it are about 40
years old. The Fun Bus rusts away because it failed, and the schools
programme has failed (both reported by the RSGB). Individual stories of
'successes' are /not/ borne out by the Society's own facts. Yet they
still pursue 'youth'. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Spike
Allan M3RKV
2017-06-03 09:52:24 UTC
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I agree, the fun bus was a waste of resources. Investing in clubs to reach out to their local communities would have been smarter. We recognise there is a problem, and we need to start working on solutions.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
2017-06-03 11:05:01 UTC
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but at the same time we need to attract the right people
Someone who has not advanced past the M3 stage is not the
right sort of person. For goodness' sake, scores of
pre-GCE / CSE / GCSE otherwise-unqualified 14-year-olds
trained themselves and passed the old RAE and 12 WPM
Morse test, so a grown up who has not progressed past
the licence intended for the 5-year-old is a disgrace.
Allan M3RKV
2017-06-03 12:00:18 UTC
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I disagree, i've held a foundation for almost 14 years the only reason I have only just started the intermediate and advanced is time, work and family left me with none until now and I was quite happy working qrp, I am only upgrading ow to eventually become an examiner. This is the kind of elitism that is ruining ham radio, I won't disagree that the foundation is for beginners because it is, but not having a full license does not make a member worth any less.
Spike
2017-06-03 12:05:28 UTC
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I am only upgrading now to eventually become an examiner. This is the kind of elitism that is ruining ham radio...
Did you really mean to say this?

Amateur Radio was ruined when it became 'ham radio' in the 'bums on
seats' policy.
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Spike
Allan M3RKV
2017-06-03 12:23:58 UTC
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Bit more context would have helped but yes, we all share the air and discrimination is just wrong. I don't entirely agree with the bums in seats policy from the rsgb, especially the exclusion of morse from the exams, or trainers/examiners that just teach to pass. But nobody is going to fix anything unless we start doing things ourselves.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
2017-06-03 12:31:59 UTC
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Bit more context would have helped but yes, we all share
the air and discrimination is just wrong.
Please read the FAQ, for I think that you may have been
misled mischievously into thinking that you are a radio amateur
instead of a CBer ...



Q. What is Ham Radio?

A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP
and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----ooooo----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults.


-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
such use says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.

Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
rigs and equipment off the shelf.

-----ooooo-----

If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
right despite never having seen them working, then
a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
never been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today,
nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage
and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an
activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what
normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance
of children?!

-----ooooo-----

Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_
to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity!
J1MBO ...
2017-06-03 12:32:41 UTC
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Post by Allan M3RKV
Bit more context would have helped but yes, we all share the air and
discrimination is just wrong. I don't entirely agree with the bums in seats
policy from the rsgb, especially the exclusion of morse from >the exams, or
trainers/examiners that just teach to pass. But nobody is going to fix
anything unless we start doing things ourselves.
too late ... all is lost....
Rambo
2017-06-03 15:14:53 UTC
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Post by Allan M3RKV
Bit more context would have helped but yes, we all share the air and
discrimination is just wrong. I don't entirely agree with the bums in seats
policy from the rsgb, especially the exclusion of morse from >the exams, or
trainers/examiners that just teach to pass. But nobody is going to fix
anything unless we start doing things ourselves.
too late ... all is lost....
No don't give up....Jezzer might nationalise the RSGB!
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
2017-06-03 12:28:52 UTC
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I disagree, i've held a foundation for almost 14 years...
I am only upgrading ow to eventually become an examiner.

Oh dear.
Roger Hayter
2017-06-03 12:34:59 UTC
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Gareth's Downstairs Computer
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Post by Allan M3RKV
but at the same time we need to attract the right people
Someone who has not advanced past the M3 stage is not the
right sort of person. For goodness' sake, scores of
pre-GCE / CSE / GCSE otherwise-unqualified 14-year-olds
trained themselves and passed the old RAE and 12 WPM
Morse test, so a grown up who has not progressed past
the licence intended for the 5-year-old is a disgrace.
The trouble with that argument is that the present licensing regime
contains no obligation, not even a moral one, to advance. There's no
point in telling people who started in the new regime that "in my day
there was an obligation to advance so there must be now". They will
just think you are a confused old person. What is needed is some
structural incentive to advance, otherwise not doing so is a perfectly
reasonable choice.
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J1MBO ...
2017-06-03 12:36:13 UTC
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Gareth's Downstairs Computer
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but at the same time we need to attract the right people
Someone who has not advanced past the M3 stage is not the
right sort of person. For goodness' sake, scores of
pre-GCE / CSE / GCSE otherwise-unqualified 14-year-olds
trained themselves and passed the old RAE and 12 WPM
Morse test, so a grown up who has not progressed past
the licence intended for the 5-year-old is a disgrace.
The trouble with that argument is that the present licensing regime
contains no obligation, not even a moral one, to advance. There's no
point in telling people who started in the new regime that "in my day
there was an obligation to advance so there must be now". They will
just think you are a confused old person. What is needed is some
structural incentive to advance, otherwise not doing so is a perfectly
reasonable choice.
in my day you had to be advanced to get on HF .....
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
2017-06-03 12:57:24 UTC
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Gareth's Downstairs Computer
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but at the same time we need to attract the right people
Someone who has not advanced past the M3 stage is not the
right sort of person. For goodness' sake, scores of
pre-GCE / CSE / GCSE otherwise-unqualified 14-year-olds
trained themselves and passed the old RAE and 12 WPM
Morse test, so a grown up who has not progressed past
the licence intended for the 5-year-old is a disgrace.
The trouble with that argument is that the present licensing regime
contains no obligation, not even a moral one, to advance. There's no
point in telling people who started in the new regime that "in my day
there was an obligation to advance so there must be now". They will
just think you are a confused old person. What is needed is some
structural incentive to advance, otherwise not doing so is a perfectly
reasonable choice.
So speaks a closet CBer?
Stephen Thomas Cole
2017-06-03 12:27:59 UTC
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Post by Spike
"The bums-on-seats policy hasn't worked. We need more bums on seats!
Get more gobshites on the bands!!"
All they did was get more get more gobshites on the bands, thousands of
class b twats too feckless to get on the bands in any honorable fashion
and a load of NuHams too stupid to sit an RAE. It'd be interesting to
know how many NuHams who in humble gratitude but their bums to RSGB
seats, at a guess I'd say somewhere between zero and twenty.
Post by Spike
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis
in the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet
which easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and
simultaneous logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the
nuts of you, dog slow digital mode which I have yet to see any kids
remotely interested in.
It's like txting, only more boring, complex, and unwieldy.
Exactly, just as bad is some idiot talking pidjin English into a
microphone about what "his first personal would be" - don't they know
these kids are talking worldwide everyday with fancy little headsets in
multiplayer online gaming? Show them CW however and the interest is
phenomenal - real radio and not some minor branch of the computing hobby!
I'd like to think that bigots like you, Frank Hunter GI4NKB, aren't allowed
anywhere near children.
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STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Brian Reay's Wig
2017-06-03 13:36:18 UTC
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On 03/06/17 13:27, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Aren't you the pervert who openly brags about having sex with underage
14 year old girls?
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Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
"The bums-on-seats policy hasn't worked. We need more bums on seats!
Get more gobshites on the bands!!"
All they did was get more get more gobshites on the bands, thousands of
class b twats too feckless to get on the bands in any honorable fashion
and a load of NuHams too stupid to sit an RAE. It'd be interesting to
know how many NuHams who in humble gratitude but their bums to RSGB
seats, at a guess I'd say somewhere between zero and twenty.
Post by Spike
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis
in the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet
which easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and
simultaneous logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the
nuts of you, dog slow digital mode which I have yet to see any kids
remotely interested in.
It's like txting, only more boring, complex, and unwieldy.
Exactly, just as bad is some idiot talking pidjin English into a
microphone about what "his first personal would be" - don't they know
these kids are talking worldwide everyday with fancy little headsets in
multiplayer online gaming? Show them CW however and the interest is
phenomenal - real radio and not some minor branch of the computing hobby!
I'd like to think that bigots like you, Frank Hunter GI4NKB, aren't allowed
anywhere near children.
Common Riding ...
2017-06-03 13:39:02 UTC
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Aren't you the pervert who openly brags about having sex with underage 14
year old girls?
Post by Stephen Thomas Cole
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
"The bums-on-seats policy hasn't worked. We need more bums on seats!
Get more gobshites on the bands!!"
All they did was get more get more gobshites on the bands, thousands of
class b twats too feckless to get on the bands in any honorable fashion
and a load of NuHams too stupid to sit an RAE. It'd be interesting to
know how many NuHams who in humble gratitude but their bums to RSGB
seats, at a guess I'd say somewhere between zero and twenty.
Post by Spike
Post by Fred Roberts
Post by Spike
After all, the essence is to launch a signal, and all the RPis
in the world won't help that once the RF reaches the antenna.
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet
which easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and
simultaneous logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the
nuts of you, dog slow digital mode which I have yet to see any kids
remotely interested in.
It's like txting, only more boring, complex, and unwieldy.
Exactly, just as bad is some idiot talking pidjin English into a
microphone about what "his first personal would be" - don't they know
these kids are talking worldwide everyday with fancy little headsets in
multiplayer online gaming? Show them CW however and the interest is
phenomenal - real radio and not some minor branch of the computing hobby!
I'd like to think that bigots like you, Frank Hunter GI4NKB, aren't allowed
anywhere near children.
that's him....a friend of brian reay I understand ...
Stephen Thomas Troll
2017-06-03 14:21:54 UTC
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Aren't you the pervert who openly brags about having sex with underage
14 year old girls?
Nice and fresh! Not a tedious old cunt like you, Frank.
Brian Reay's Wig
2017-06-04 09:22:04 UTC
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Aren't you the pervert who openly brags about having sex with underage
14 year old girls?
Nice and fresh! Not a tedious old cunt like you, Frank.
Fuck off Cole.

A. non Eyemouse
2017-06-03 10:03:28 UTC
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Post by Fred Roberts
Much better with a cheap little Gigabyte Brix than a Pi IMHO. This:-
http://tinyurl.com/y8r4valq
is a cracking deal, I have one and it's a brilliant little tablet which
easily handles multiple "slices" with my Elad and simultaneous
logging/cluster etc. Real radio, not some bore the nuts of you, dog slow
digital mode which I have yet to see any kids remotely interested in.
What's the screen quality like? Decent glass screen? 2 full-size USBs is
good, I'm wondering how it would compare to my 8" Dell, it's a bit
fiddly connecting various SDR boxes via OTG cable.
--
Mouse.
Where Morse meets House.
Fred Roberts
2017-06-03 11:30:54 UTC
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What's the screen quality like? Decent glass screen?
The screen is excellent. I use mine mostly for work when traveling
around different sites, as it's a tablet the battery life is excellent
and being a Windows tablet an install of Open Office makes it an
excellent solution and of course there's no shortage of amateur
software. It beats faffing about with a Pi hands down.
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2 full-size USBs is good,
They're actually USB3, I bought a cheap USB3 hub that also supplies a
gigabit ethernet port which makes it even more flexible.
Post by A. non Eyemouse
I'm wondering how it would compare to my 8" Dell, it's a
bit fiddly connecting various SDR boxes via OTG cable.
A few of my friends (all amateurs) have bought them after seeing mine in
action, it's a ridiculous amount of computing power for a budget price.
--
The maths teacher broke down in tears at the North West Wiltshire
Magistrates’ Court
mm0fmf
2017-06-03 14:01:23 UTC
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Post by A. non Eyemouse
What's the screen quality like? Decent glass screen?
The screen is excellent. I use mine mostly for work when traveling
around different sites, as it's a tablet the battery life is excellent
and being a Windows tablet an install of Open Office makes it an
excellent solution and of course there's no shortage of amateur
software. It beats faffing about with a Pi hands down.
Post by A. non Eyemouse
2 full-size USBs is good,
They're actually USB3, I bought a cheap USB3 hub that also supplies a
gigabit ethernet port which makes it even more flexible.
They're USB2 not USB3.

Screen is 1280x800 and is fine for what it is. The add on
keyboard/touchpad is essential but is very heavy. Keys feel OK but the
touchpad mouse buttons are bit pish. The magnetic coupling works well
and the keyboard/mouse uses physical connections not wireless and is
nice and reliable. I regularly get 10hrs out of a charge using it for
browsing, email etc. If you run programs that do lots of crunching the
battery life drops quickly. Charging from flat can be slow especially if
you use it at the same time. Wifi is quite sensitive, 802.11n but only
2.4GHZ 65mbps max.

The only thing to note is the onboard soundcard cannot do 48kHz sampling
which means you cannot use it for WSJT modes. You need to add an
external USB sound card that supports 48kHz sampling. I bought a
selection from eBay to try and found some which were 99p inc p&p that
work splendidly.

I've had one for about 18months or so and would buy the same thing
again. It's powerful and useable enough that I've given up travelling
with a laptop unless I need one for work.
A. non Eyemouse
2017-06-03 14:16:46 UTC
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Post by Fred Roberts
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What's the screen quality like? Decent glass screen?
The screen is excellent. I use mine mostly for work when traveling
around different sites, as it's a tablet the battery life is excellent
and being a Windows tablet an install of Open Office makes it an
excellent solution and of course there's no shortage of amateur
software. It beats faffing about with a Pi hands down.
Post by A. non Eyemouse
2 full-size USBs is good,
They're actually USB3, I bought a cheap USB3 hub that also supplies a
gigabit ethernet port which makes it even more flexible.
They're USB2 not USB3.
Screen is 1280x800 and is fine for what it is. The add on
keyboard/touchpad is essential but is very heavy. Keys feel OK but the
touchpad mouse buttons are bit pish. The magnetic coupling works well
and the keyboard/mouse uses physical connections not wireless and is
nice and reliable. I regularly get 10hrs out of a charge using it for
browsing, email etc. If you run programs that do lots of crunching the
battery life drops quickly. Charging from flat can be slow especially if
you use it at the same time. Wifi is quite sensitive, 802.11n but only
2.4GHZ 65mbps max.
The only thing to note is the onboard soundcard cannot do 48kHz sampling
which means you cannot use it for WSJT modes. You need to add an
external USB sound card that supports 48kHz sampling. I bought a
selection from eBay to try and found some which were 99p inc p&p that
work splendidly.
I've had one for about 18months or so and would buy the same thing
again. It's powerful and useable enough that I've given up travelling
with a laptop unless I need one for work.
10" sounds about manageable. It's a pity I haven't found a
decent 8" tablet that has a full-size USB connector, I have Dell and
Lenovo tablets that both need usb-host converters but still very useful
for walking around with SDRplay connected tracing interference. I can
just about manage with the on-screen keyboard as long as I enable the
full keyboard mode.

Still, for the price it's got to be worth a look.
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Mouse.
Where Morse meets House.
mm0fmf
2017-06-03 14:35:40 UTC
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What's the screen quality like? Decent glass screen?
The screen is excellent. I use mine mostly for work when traveling
around different sites, as it's a tablet the battery life is excellent
and being a Windows tablet an install of Open Office makes it an
excellent solution and of course there's no shortage of amateur
software. It beats faffing about with a Pi hands down.
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2 full-size USBs is good,
They're actually USB3, I bought a cheap USB3 hub that also supplies a
gigabit ethernet port which makes it even more flexible.
They're USB2 not USB3.
Screen is 1280x800 and is fine for what it is. The add on
keyboard/touchpad is essential but is very heavy. Keys feel OK but the
touchpad mouse buttons are bit pish. The magnetic coupling works well
and the keyboard/mouse uses physical connections not wireless and is
nice and reliable. I regularly get 10hrs out of a charge using it for
browsing, email etc. If you run programs that do lots of crunching the
battery life drops quickly. Charging from flat can be slow especially
if you use it at the same time. Wifi is quite sensitive, 802.11n but
only 2.4GHZ 65mbps max.
The only thing to note is the onboard soundcard cannot do 48kHz
sampling which means you cannot use it for WSJT modes. You need to add
an external USB sound card that supports 48kHz sampling. I bought a
selection from eBay to try and found some which were 99p inc p&p that
work splendidly.
I've had one for about 18months or so and would buy the same thing
again. It's powerful and useable enough that I've given up travelling
with a laptop unless I need one for work.
10" sounds about manageable. It's a pity I haven't found a
decent 8" tablet that has a full-size USB connector, I have Dell and
Lenovo tablets that both need usb-host converters but still very useful
for walking around with SDRplay connected tracing interference. I can
just about manage with the on-screen keyboard as long as I enable the
full keyboard mode.
Still, for the price it's got to be worth a look.
I'm happy with mine and it does everything I bought it for. I've run
SDR# on a 7in Win8 tablet using the same CPU as this but with 1GB RAM
and it worked fine. The problem being the screen resolution on 7in being
finer than the cheap touchscreen. The touchscreen on the 10in works
well. All in all it just that much more useable than the tiny tablets.

I used to use a Nexus7 plus BlueTooth keyboard till assorted Android
updates rendered it too slow to use. This is plenty fast enough to cope
with stupid modern websites running too much Javascript. Big W10 updates
are slow to install, the last one was an 800MB download that took about
50mins from it finishing the download to the Linx rebooting and letting
me log in again.

Mine was a cashback offer that finally cost £110 inc the optional keyboard.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
2017-06-03 10:56:43 UTC
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The RSGB haven't a bloody clue how to attract people to amateur radio,
if they did they wouldn't be in the position they are now, the fun bus
wouldn't be a rusting shell and we wouldn't have thousands of gobshites
infesting the one time amateur bands.
+1
Stephen Thomas Cole
2017-06-03 12:27:58 UTC
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There's an interesting thread started over in the other place, that one
might think was more appropriate to a computer-oriented group.
Burt, you're obsessed. You need to get a hobby or something, OM.
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