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callsign G2CWO
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o***@yahoo.com
2018-03-20 18:42:50 UTC
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Can anyone explain how the "CW ops" club has been granted the use of callsign G2CWO?

Was this done by getting permission of the deceaseds family, or do we now have vanity callsign availability here in the uk?





73, Arabackle Oblifork, G9BF
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Brian Morrison
2018-03-20 19:37:25 UTC
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Can anyone explain how the "CW ops" club has been granted the use of callsign G2CWO?
GW0ETF appears to manage the G2CWO page at qrz.com, you could look at
the email address there and ask him direct.
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Peter Able
2018-03-21 08:51:34 UTC
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or do we now have vanity callsign availability here in the uk?
Tongue-in-cheek, I assume? Everyone KNOWS that we have - and have had for
decades.

Everyone except OFCOM - who recently stated that "We never re-issue
call-signs"

PA
Brian Morrison
2018-03-21 11:30:28 UTC
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Everyone except OFCOM - who recently stated that "We never re-issue
call-signs"
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.

I don't know the answer to that question.
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Brian Howie
2018-03-21 12:02:02 UTC
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Everyone except OFCOM - who recently stated that "We never re-issue
call-signs"
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
No sign of in the 1950 callbook

https://archive.org/stream/Summer_1950_Radio_Amateur_Callbook/Summer_1950
_Radio_Amateur_Callbook_Foreign_djvu.txt

Or in Pat Hawker's callbook, but he probably discounted these lazy
bottomed AA upstarts

http://www.dokufunk.org/upload/g_callbook_20-34.pdf

Brian GM6QE
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Ian Jackson
2018-03-21 14:35:34 UTC
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Post by Brian Morrison
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Everyone except OFCOM - who recently stated that "We never re-issue
call-signs"
Which must, of course, be taken with a pinch of salt.
Post by Brian Howie
Post by Brian Morrison
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
No sign of in the 1950 callbook
https://archive.org/stream/Summer_1950_Radio_Amateur_Callbook/Summer_1950
_Radio_Amateur_Callbook_Foreign_djvu.txt
Or in Pat Hawker's callbook, but he probably discounted these lazy
bottomed AA upstarts
http://www.dokufunk.org/upload/g_callbook_20-34.pdf
Brian GM6QE
My earliest callbook is 1959, and (as might be expected) it's not listed
there either. The closest are G2CWL and G2CWR. The last in the G2+3
series is G3HPF. However, there is no reason to believe that it wouldn't
have been issued at some time - and on its past record, OFCOM certainly
do seem to re-issue a SK callsign - not only to close relatives, but
also to those with a genuine and laudable reason for wanting to use it.

Regarding re-issuing a callsign (even to a close relative), if I
understand correctly what a friend told me when he tried, OFCOM will NOT
re-issue or re-allocate a callsign if the original holder is still alive
- but has no further need of it. Examples would include once having a
Class-B call, but later getting a Class-A, going FL > IL > Full - or
simply deciding to give up amateur radio for good. As a result, you
can't (say) donate your long-disused and lapsed Class-B callsign to your
son when he passes the 'Advanced' exam. However, I might possibly be
slightly wrong about this. What my G4+3 friend is trying to donate is
his old G8+3 - and his son already has a G1+3 callsign (although
possibly lapsed).
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mm0fmf
2018-03-21 17:42:11 UTC
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What my G4+3 friend is trying to donate is
his old G8+3 - and his son already has a G1+3 callsign (although
possibly lapsed).
He should get the old G8 call reissued as a club callsign with his sone
as club chairman then his son can use it whenever he wants (but not
overseas) and his son can keep his G1 call.
Peter Able
2018-03-21 16:20:52 UTC
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Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
Brian Morrison
2018-03-21 16:28:44 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:20:52 -0000
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Post by Brian Morrison
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
Well, perhaps they asked surviving relatives if they would sanction a
re-issue but maybe the rules have changed and this is no longer done.
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Peter Able
2018-03-21 16:51:24 UTC
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Well, perhaps they asked surviving relatives if they would sanction a
re-issue but maybe the rules have changed and this is no longer done.
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Brian Morrison
I think it likely that that callsign was issued at a time when callsigns
were issued in strict order - so no gaps.

Re; they NEVER re-issue. Remember that this is the same organisation that
claimed that the RSL should - and did - reflect the Licencee's home address,
not his operating location.
Brian Howie
2018-03-21 17:29:33 UTC
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In message <p8u0p8$tn4$***@dont-email.me>, Peter Able <***@home.com>
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Post by Brian Morrison
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO

The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war either packed it in before 1950 or
died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.

The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was
issued in about late 1935 early 1936.

Brian
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Brian Howie
A. non Eyemouse
2018-03-21 18:06:33 UTC
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Post by Brian Morrison
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO
The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war  either packed it in before 1950 or
died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.
The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was
issued in about  late 1935 early 1936.
I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
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Roger Hayter
2018-03-21 18:26:52 UTC
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Post by Brian Morrison
Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO
The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war either packed it in before 1950 or
died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.
The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was
issued in about late 1935 early 1936.
I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
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Roger Hayter
Peter Able
2018-03-21 19:22:25 UTC
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I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
Not sure that 2AUA would be legal nowadays. Don't the rules require that
amateur radio call-signs have to have a digit in other than the first
character position?
Roger Hayter
2018-03-21 22:42:40 UTC
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I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
Not sure that 2AUA would be legal nowadays. Don't the rules require that
amateur radio call-signs have to have a digit in other than the first
character position?
You're right but I don't think that was the case before WW2. I was
only saying that at the time they might be seen as two totally different
calls.
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Jeff
2018-03-22 10:10:36 UTC
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Not sure that 2AUA would be legal nowadays. Don't the rules require that
amateur radio call-signs have to have a digit in other than the first
character position?
You're right but I don't think that was the case before WW2. I was
only saying that at the time they might be seen as two totally different
calls.
The pre war layout for amateur callsigns was pretty much the same as it
is today.

See 1938 RRs:

<https://www.itu.int/en/history/Pages/RadioRegulationsA.aspx?reg=1.6>

Jeff

Lucifer Morningstar
2018-03-22 06:19:59 UTC
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I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
Not sure that 2AUA would be legal nowadays. Don't the rules require that
amateur radio call-signs have to have a digit in other than the first
character position?
In Australia Foundation callsigns are of the form VK?F??? yet for
some reason they won't issue VK2FUCK.
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2018-03-22 07:19:38 UTC
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I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
Not sure that 2AUA would be legal nowadays. Don't the rules require that
amateur radio call-signs have to have a digit in other than the first
character position?
In Australia Foundation callsigns are of the form VK?F??? yet for
some reason they won't issue VK2FUCK.
shame ideal for a foundation punter ....
Jeff
2018-03-22 10:00:41 UTC
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Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO
The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war either packed it in before 1950 or
died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.
The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was
issued in about late 1935 early 1936.
I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Given that '2' is a valid UK prefix, the above two calls could
legitimately exist independently with no recycling involved.
Not as am amateur callsign, as it does would not have fitted the
structure for an amateur callsign in the Radio Regs.

Jeff
Spike
2018-03-21 19:07:35 UTC
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Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO
The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war  either packed it in before 1950
or died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.
The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was
issued in about  late 1935 early 1936.
I've already found one anomaly - 2AUA is not the same as G2AUA in my
1964 callbook. So maybe there was some re-cycling of the AA calls?
Here's a bunch from Brian Howie's 1920/1930 call book link, that
strongly suggests a fair amount of recycling was going on:

2WC. No Record.
2WD. C.W. Clarabut, Bedford.
2WD. G. McLean Wilford, The End House, Hilderstone Rd. Stoke.
2WE. No Record.
2WF. Prof. A.M. Low, London W4

2TV. E.W. Wood, Northampton.
2TV. Baird Television Co. London WC2.
2TW. T.B. Wimbush, Signals Section, IHG.
2TW. Baird Television Co., Harrow.
2TW. H. Lershnan, Ashbank, Old Pomont, Stirling.
2TX. A.R.C. Johnson, London W3.
2TX. E.H. Osborne, Coastguard Bungalow, Felixstowe.
2TY. S. Scott, Queensgate, Bridlington.
2TY. W.J. Edwards, Llansamiet, Swansea.
2TY. H.R. Haigh, Youngwoods, Alverthorpe, Wakefield.
2TZ. E. Jones, Stockport.
2TZ. C.E. Biggs, Winterbourne Abbas, Dorchester.

There's plenty of other examples.
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Peter Able
2018-03-21 19:00:30 UTC
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Was G2CWO ever issued? If it wasn't, then it can't be re-issued.
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yes - F.Osborn, Chingford
F. Osborn was G2CVO
The original G2CWO or 2CWO pre-war either packed it in before 1950 or
died. I can't see any reason it wasn't issued.
The Spring 1935 callbook only goes up to 2BZW, so I guess 2CWO was issued
in about late 1935 early 1936.
Brian
Crikey! Another Specsaver moment. Apologies.

A 1937 callbook goes as far as 2CHY, so 2CWO could be right up against WW2.
There are quite a lot of gaps in the 2xxx sequence, which might imply that
AA licences weren't held for too long. Incentive licensing that actually
worked?

The real 2xxx mystery to me is why whole alphabets were left out. No 2Exx or
2Gxx. Any ideas?
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